Checkerboard

I have have just converted to using Jeps and i'm just wondering if i need to keep on file all my AIC'S and Supps that airservices continue to send me. I dont seem to get a Jepp equivelant.

Cheers.

sprucegoose

Yes you do. There is no Jepp equivalent.

Capt Snooze

When the AIC / Supps subscription expires, don't renew it.

Log on to:
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and print the updates straight out of Acrobat.





Snooze

flipside

Thanks for that C.S, straight into my favorites.

Hugh Jarse

Checkerboard, send me an email (with your email), and I'll send you a neat little Quick Reference Guide to make the transition easier.

Windshear

Capt. Snooze do you have a www. site for CAO's or CAR's.
Thanks Windy

Icarus2001

www.casa.gov.au

Follow the links...

Crash & Burn

Windy,

Try the CASA Aviation Legislation website:

http://www.casa.gov.au/avreg/rules/index.htm

I Fly

Another Jeppesen question.
When you do your approach preview, how do you check the date of the plate?
ASA has a checklist with every amendment. Jeppesen, I'm told has only 1 a year. Some plates change several times during the year.

strobes_on

Each Jepp amendment we get includes a page with a list of additions and deletions to be incorporated.

I am sure it is the same system as you get in OZ.

GearOff

It's correct that they only issue one checklist a year, but if you perform the updates and sign them off on the record sheet in the front of the 1st folder then there shouldn't be a problem.

You can, however, check at www.jeppesen.com by registering as a web site user (it's free) and entering your customer number. With that, you can access a list of every chart you should have (and its effective date) based on your subscription and also review past/future ammendments.

Hugh Jarse

I Fly,
When I brief, I use the chart date in the middle of the chart just under the designator (ie 10-2). As you probably know, some have an "effective date" for those that are deferred for some reason. I don't know what the difference is, perhaps lead-time from CASA.

However, the master checklist is only issued once a year, but each amendment (fortnightly) has its own LEP. These should be incorporated in the front of one of the folders between yearly checklists, so you can stay on top of it all. Is that confusing or what? Theoretically you should end up with 25 of these in the front of your Jepps...

So, if you keep the LEP from each amendment.....No problem!

Checkerboard

Thanks for everyones replies, most helpful!!
Check your mail Hugh Jarse, I have sent you an email.

I Fly

Thanks everyone for your replies. The problem is, I have CASA DAPS and when I do CIR tests the candidate turns up with Jeppesen. Some plates have later dates than mine (no problem) but some have earlier dates. They never seem to be able to produce the latest checklist which identifies the correct Jeppesen date. I end up studying the plate to see if there are any differences.

RamAirTurbine

I Fly - get some jepps! They are easier to understand.... (Well I think they are! )

GearOff

I Fly - I think you did my MECIR test.

OzExpat

I Fly ... now, I've been away from the Oz flying scene for many years, so I'm undoubtedly out of touch with a lot of things that happen these days in flight tests. However, if I'd been in the position of having to contend with a test candidate whose charts did not match the date of my own, I reckon that I'd be putting it on the candidate to prove that the charts are up to date. I figure that, if they can't reconcile their charts for the flight test, what chance will they have after they've past the test?

Am I missing something here?

I Fly

OzExpat. Thank you for your comments. That is exactly my worry. However it is difficult to penalise someone for using a legal document that is different from mine. I would have thought that all the Australian information that Jeppesen publishes comes from ASA. So why is it not identical? Does Jeppesen know something that ASA does not?
I was hoping that some Airline Pilots might enlighten me as to how they do their pre approach brief and verify the validity of the charts. There seems to be the attitude I've done the amendments, therefore they are correct. Perhaps I'm the only one making mistakes but lots of times when I do my amendments I find something different.

OzExpat

I Fly ... from the few obs flights I've done, it seems that the airline routine is to brief, in part, by comparing chart date, along the lines of ... "this will be the ILS RWY 04 approach at Brisbane and my chart date is...". PNF responds by confirming the same date on his/her chart.

The theory, I suspect, is that its highly unlikely that both of them will have the same out-of-date chart. Perhaps there's some QF or PX crews out there who can clarify the situation for us all? If this is the case, it probably won't help you too much, I Fly, as airline crews will undoubtedly all have Jepp charts and, therefore, not have to cross-check with the same AsA chart.

Icarus2001

I Fly, I see your dilemma but don't see that there is a problem. Jeppesen produce a "Revision letter" with each amendment. So ask the candidate to produce this page which will confirm the date of issue.

You ask if Jeppesen know something AsA doesn't.....quite likely I would think

The difference is that Jeppesen issue revisions every two weeks! Not at the leisurely AsA rate.