jtr

"How many years of JQ time have the F/O's done to get a JQ NZ command?"

Shortest, 12 months from initial F/O line check to Capt line check.

BEAU JOKER

Just curious -
How many DEC s have been employed in the last 6mths ?
How many more slots are there for DECs or are there sufficient qualified F/Os to be upgraded ?

Thanks.

Artificial Horizon

There have been about 6 DEC's employed recently as well as around 4 FO's getting the nod for promotion. The internal candidates will get the position first if they are suitable for upgrade. There are probably about another 4-6 FO's who are close to satisfying the upgrade requirements in the near future. Funnily enough, now that the MOU is starting to bite over in OZ we are once again a popular choice for both Jetstar Australia FO's and for Qantas pilots on LWOP.

The Guru

Anyone know how many commands offered under FSO 255/11?
This was the only recent FSO that has failed to specify the number of positions being offered.

Guessing this will play a big part in the number of DECs going to Jetstar NZ, but because of the excess of qualified F/Os who have no chance of getting a command in Oz, my money is betting that head office has got a landslide of applications.

Sqwark2000

Are the Jetstar NZ F/O's getting NZ command opportunities or are they losing out to group seniority by Oz F/O's coming over due to lack of Oz opportunities?

Roaring Forties

Hello everyone and Welcome to The SHARK PATROL FISHING CONTEST Prize Giving.

Well - before we get on to PRIZE GIVING, I think it time we let you all in on a little secret. A couple of weeks ago, we were having a BBQ and the banter across the Tasman soon got around to why are we all flying over here and not flying SHARK PATROLS. Well its pretty obvious - we enjoy being given new shiny toys to fly around the world in. We have been to - well to many destinations to list here - but Rio was very nice last week. (You can see our list of night stops on an earlier post) Our youngest Capt here is 32 - it was his birthday BBQ that brought us all together. So that BBQ - we have one every month to catch up on the latest from 'down under' - yes we do fly there daily, and Jetstar was mentioned. So one thing led to another - steak, wine, more steak, pavlova - mmmmmmmmmmmm and strawberries! After discussing the trivia and crap posted on most D&G items, especially all the bleating about EBAs, and dis & dat, a deep and meaningful discussion soon arose and we all asked ourselves - 'Why would we give up our current jobs to enter the bitching backstabbing nepotistic world of 'downunder aviation'. Not one of us could come up with even a semi reasonable reason. So we thought that as fishing is supposed to be the big reason why so many pilots say 'its the reason why he stays in Oz/Godzone', a little fishing contest was in order.

The bait was cast - and holy mackeral - the sinker had not even sunk below the waves when pwrpac had taken bite. Out he went at Vmo like a Mako Shark. All angry and shaking the line like severe turbulence. Never in all our combined days have we experienced fishing like catching pwrpac. How we wish every fishing day was like that.

pwrpac - please step up and accept your prize- the MAKO shark prize for being the first to bite. Not only was pwrpac the first to bite, but he did so full afterburners on reheat - ah - those F111 days.

- Why Mako - well Mako sharks are smaller sharks that prowl the regions - all quiet but have a reputation for being bitter and aggressive individuals with a temper.

Arnold E

Have just been talking to (30 minutes ago) a Jetstar NZ F/O, he has had the job for 6 months and came from GA. Now lives in NZ. He tells me he is on $164,00 PA.
I have read on these forums before about how underpaid J* pilots are. Well let me tell you that I have lost all sympathy for you pilot types if that is your starting rate, and clearly it is, what planet do you guys come from if you think you are worth more than that as second dicky? Words fail me, I am only a humble engineer, but would be willing to kill for that sort of renumeration. Dont winge any more.

PoppaJo

Are you trying to be funny?

Artificial Horizon

God that made me laugh, I can tell you with certainty that the best paid J* NZ FO last year was in the late 80's all in with extra flying pay, bonuses etc. So knock around $80,000 off that figure and you will be somewhere near the truth. The rate you mention would be typical of the Captains take home ALL IN.

KRUSTY 34

Is it possible Arnie that your friend may be a little prone to exaggeration?

Believe it or not (especially amongst those in denial) it can be a possibility.

Bigbus330

Arnold E.
If you're really 62, haven't you been in aviation long enough ( or at least on this planet long enough) to realise that you take anything an engineer tells a pilot (and vice versa) with a pinch of salt?!

standard

@arnold mate that is not the starting rate!, pull your head in!, the starting rate was probably 5 or 10 years ago when this bloke was flying for $100 per week while he slogged his arse off in the middle of no where getting up his hours to get an airline job!

Frankly $160k for 2 years of training and then 5 or more years to build the hours to get an airline job is selling your 'mate' Short... He's with more!

Not selling you blokes short, because without you there is no airlines, I know you think it's alot for us 'button pushers' but you spend 7 or so years to get yourself into a position to strap yourself to the front of a shiny jet and cart 100's of people through the sky at 3/4 the speed of sound, spend nights away from your family and friends and tell me your not worth $160k??

He's worth more!!! Particularly on a stormy night when your enjoying a beer down the back!

Arnold E

I dont really want to get into a slanging match about engineers v's pilots, but, how long do you think it takes from the start of an apprenticeship till being fully licenced on your particular aircraft type? more than a couple of years let me tell you. However thats not the point, what I am saying is people here are saying they are poorly paid when if fact $160k for a newly minted second dicky isnt what I would call poor.

Oxidant

Quite right, it would be, BUT, as A.H states above, a J* NZ F/o is only getting HALF that.

(& if you look back near the start of this thread, someone even posted the pay scale...............)

RFN

Arnold mate, he's playing with ur pud!!!

Sqwark2000

Heard a rumour yesterday that J*(NZ) have struck a new deal thru ALPA negotiations.... close to AirNZ rates for A320 ($NZD107k Yr1 -130k Yr8 approx.)

Nothing firmer that, anyone else heard the same?

MIke SieRRa

I doubt if that rumour is true S2000.

The company and negotiators are going to meet in a couple of weeks to start talking about pay. So far the company only agreed on the fact that the current contract is crap. How much it will improve by is anyone's guess.

Who did you hear that rumour from anyway?

TDK mk2

I've just updated my jet* file from several years ago. I've about 6000 hours with 2500 P1 on regional jets in Europe. I've got a local passport and Australian ATPL so what are the chances of being considered for a DEC? The pay is little more than my salary here and from what I've seen on recent trips NZ isn't that cheap anymore.

standard

Any updates to negotiations? Is it likely to see the anything close to the NZALPA log of claims get up (as per website)?

-438

An engineer told me yesterday in NZ that all engineers earn at least $500k from day 1 of their apprenticeship. All these spanner twisters are overpaid.