Claiming that lead times are insufficient for training of Ejet Captains as a result of an addition of 2 new E190s to the fleet, VB have decided to hire 4 Direct Entry Captains onto the Ejet.....
Tell me that out of the 400 or so FOs in the company, that not one of them were upgradable????
It appears that the smoke and mirrors that occured earlier this year has given the dream team more confidence to pull out more out of their hats.
Yes at the same time, throw on loyalty. Did I mention these guys ar to be based in BNE when there is a list as long as the nile of commuters to SYD/MEL who are trying to get back to Brissie? Why not base these DECs in PER for instance where few seem to wanna go?
Nothing against experience. When VB first started Ops on Ejet perhaps there is justification.
"Don't be surprised you're doing the French Mistake"
*cough, cough* Hope you're not one of the 4, Phil.
It's just a "jobs for the boys" ploy by the ex-SAW boss in times where there are sufficient upgradeable FO's already employed. Some with excess of 10,000hrs airline command AND type-rated.
Not to mention the commuters that will be gazumped from returning to BNE!
He turned up with lots of huffy-puffy.
If he follows through with this, the credibility and respect he'll receive from his charges will be..............
The only internal offer for commands stated only SYD, MEL or PER, nothing in BNE
There are E-jet Captains in SYD who are there because the company said there are no BNE bases. I know 4 E-jet SYD captains who have been trying to get back to BNE for almost a year and they are now stuck in SYD longer.
And what about the E-jet FO's who have 1-2 years on type (plus loads of other experience) who have been loyal to VB and just got screwed.
The Virgin blue pilot management team (the conga line) are all 'as low as a snakes arse in a wagon rut' and this dispicable act continues to confirm that !!!!!!!
Great thread, If there is any truth to it, all it shows is that after almost 10 years of operating, nothing has changed about VB's ethics - Jobs for the boys, nil loyalty to staff, lies and deception. In fact, after a decade of this farce, wouldn't you think that the general populous would finally come to the realization that there isn't and never has been any loyalty, ethics or fairness of any sort towards people at VB unless you have been tagged as a 'chosen one', which means you are a mate or relative of a manager, or went to school or uni decades ago with one of the heirachy.
Does the DJ pilot's EBA not allow promotion (or in this case DEC's) outside of seniority if there are suitabe and upgradeable F/O's within the company. As Whirlyman said, it's unbelievable that there are not at least 4 F/O's that would fit the bill!
What about those seconded B737 pilots who went to the ejet fleet, became checkies and have now agreed recently to stay on for longer on line captain pay!!!!!
That's right, they have forgone the 16% allowance to keep their blue badges!
I'm sorry, but what a bunch of !!
Another example of a bunch of pilots undermining our terms and conditions. They should be named and shamed.
Go easy there fellas. Flying out of Hong Kong into China is excellent experience. I can assure you one year flying here = 4 years flying around Australia (atc etc) Ive done both. But this is not a "my experience is better than yours post"
Take your grief out on your policy making management, not the experienced guys who are simply accepting a job offer.
Does your union have a hiring ban? I think not.
Good luck to everyone.
And for the record I am pro seniority and promote from within. But if a DEC job is advertised and accepted by an individual you can not blamb them.
DJ never advertised for DEC's for the Ejet, the only advertised for 'Type Rated'.
The internal advertised Command positions were for Sydney, Melbourne or Perth, not Brisbane which these 4 pilots have been given!
Some of those pilots affected by this have also flown internationally, so who cares if these DEC guys may have flown in and out of Hong Kong.
No there is not a hiring ban, however the EBA states in
Section 4 Career Opportunities
4.1.1 Vacancies for positions on any aircraft type will br advertised internally. Applicants will be given details about the relevant skills and experience needed for the aircraft and the base location. Internal applicants will be given priority over external applicants provided the internal applicants have the requisite skills, performance history and experience. Date of joining will be used to distinguish between internal candidates followed by performance history and experience.
4.1.2 Nothing contained in the Agreement will prevent Virgin Blue from hiring people external to the business on aircraft types within its Australian domestic operations once it has complied with clause 4.1.1
So yes the EBA does allow for DEC so long as the company complies with 4.1.1, which in this case it hasn't complied.
The company failed under 4.1.1 due to;
1. not advertsing internally that Brisbane was available.
2. it has falied to give internal applicants priority, when these internal appliants have meet the requirements stated in 4.1.1
If the internal applicants do not meet 4.1.1 and the company has to employ DEC then they should go to the base that needs them the most which is Sydney. If there are Brisbane captain positions then they have to go to the Sydney captains who have bidded for a Brisbane base, which as I said there are Ejet captains in Sydney who are waiting to return to Brisbane.
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I am curious about the advertised positions, did they have the standard VB dialect 'must have's' or 'nice to have's' built/written into the advert ?? They love those little ditties as it helps in assisting them in manipultaing the HR process.
In any case, some of the statements in this thread are very accurate in their context in relation to the real VB, particularly the 'conga line' statement, couldn't be more true. What was the name of Mark Latham's book again,' A conga line of suckholes' wasn't it ?
Oh dear,Pilots been overlooked in favour of outsiders, more Embraer related controversy, it wouldn't surprise me if another Embraer video featuring Adolf hits Youtube again !!!
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