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Old 26th June 2008, 07:40   #141 (permalink)
 
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CASA must have supplied the names and contact details
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Old 26th June 2008, 08:00   #142 (permalink)
 
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I apologise.

Of the 1526 persons surveyed only 78% were satisfied, (1190 persons). Crikey, this is worse than I thought. There is a lot of grey fuzz out there that has more digits than my calculator.

I wonder what this cost us?
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Old 26th June 2008, 13:39   #143 (permalink)
 
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Is it possible that this thread has been hijacked by the "Dick for Chairman of the new CASA Board" lobby? Surely not! (Hi Queenslander et al).
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Old 27th June 2008, 05:22   #144 (permalink)
 
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When Anderson dissolved the last CASA Board it seemed like a good idea at the time. Times change and I now wonder if it was a mistake after all?

Being alert to the fact that a Camel is a Horse designed by a Committee, perhaps there is merit in taking the decision process away from the Bureaucrats and Advisors who interfere with matters before they get to The respective Minister who can, and will mishandle any situation given the chance.

Just thinking out aloud.
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Old 27th June 2008, 05:35   #145 (permalink)
 
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justapplhere what do you think should be done
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Old 27th June 2008, 12:25   #146 (permalink)
 
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About what Queenslander?

(My question remains unanswered) !
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Old 27th June 2008, 13:03   #147 (permalink)
 
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I see nothing in this thread which gives any credibility to your suggestion.

Care to elaborate?
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Old 27th June 2008, 14:11   #148 (permalink)
 
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http://www.casa.gov.au/media/98_99/10mar99.htm
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Old 27th June 2008, 16:25   #149 (permalink)
 
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LHR families

Queenslander, you are right. The LHR families will not let this go. One of the family members has been given an hour at the Inquiry..more than any of the other witnesses, except of course, the usual suspects from CASA...the rogue's gallery. They get fully half of the day.

When I talk about this whole sorry issue in my wide and varied circles of people, if I mention CASA, the question is usually, "what is CASA?" let alone what do they do?
Who are these 1500 or so people?...a bit like faking the electoral role I think.
The latest CASA tactic, as of this evening and even closer to the Inquiry, is to ground Aerotropics...something that should have happened soon after 07 May 2005. Another cynical exercise in attempting to dupe the Australian public..the media in NQ is right on to this.
I am also disturbed that the feeling out there is one of dismay and helplessness. If this is not addressed and CASA fully exposed, there certainly will be another LHR and I will be the first to say.."I told you so."
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Old 28th June 2008, 00:47   #150 (permalink)
 
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james.

I can't see any relevance of the CASA survey to their safety mandate. What would those surveyed know about CASA's functions and responsibilities - if they even know the Authority exists?

It is nothing more than a measure of CASA's spin doctors success.
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Old 28th June 2008, 05:57   #151 (permalink)
 
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On 29th May 2008 The Senate announces a formal inquiry into CASA with a submission date one Month later of 30th June 2008.

I have heard the Reporting date is one week later, 7th July?

Since then and co-inciding, is a blitz of operations in the North.

At 6.00pm on Friday evening (usual CASA tactics), Aerotropics get rolled by CASA.

CASA have been investigating Lip Air (T/A Aerotropics), since September 2007 according to their blurb.

It should be noted that after some 10 months of investigations, CASA choose to act now on the eve of the Inquiry closing to further input.

I make no comment on Lip Air or it's operations, it is covered on another thread, but find strange the sequence of events.

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Old 28th June 2008, 08:37   #152 (permalink)
 
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James Michael

Thanks for that, it is a valuable observation.
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Old 29th June 2008, 01:41   #153 (permalink)
 
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Can you plesae explain exactly why Aero-tropics should have been grounded "soon after 07 may 2005".
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Old 29th June 2008, 08:26   #154 (permalink)
 
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On 29th May 2008 The Senate announces a formal inquiry into CASA with a submission date one Month later of 30th June 2008.

I have heard the Reporting date is one week later, 7th July?

Since then and co-inciding, is a blitz of operations in the North.

At 6.00pm on Friday evening (usual CASA tactics), Aerotropics get rolled by CASA.

CASA have been investigating Lip Air (T/A Aerotropics), since September 2007 according to their blurb.

It should be noted that after some 10 months of investigations, CASA choose to act now on the eve of the Inquiry closing to further input.

I make no comment on Lip Air or it's operations, it is covered on another thread, but find strange the sequence of events.
A strange coincidence indeed. They need something to show to the Senate inquiry (like the "unannounced" blitz in NT). What a cynical exercise. They wouldn't do anything for 12 months, and now suddenly on the eve of the Senate hearing, it becomes a critical safety concern to CASA.

Funny how none of the safety breaches surrounding QF warrant any action on the part of CASA, not even an infringement notice. Why is that?? Because QF is allowed to regulate itself........
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Old 29th June 2008, 09:42   #155 (permalink)
 
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NT;

This came across my desk this evening and I have not read it fully, nor fathom it at this stage.

Although it doesn't say as much in early reading I am prompted that there is an AAT stay in court under 30DC (?) until 21st July 2008.

Lip-Air Pty Limited v Civil Aviation Safety Authority [2008] FCA 866 (5 June 2008)
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Old 29th June 2008, 13:03   #156 (permalink)
 
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NT;

This came across my desk this evening and I have not read it fully, nor fathom it at this stage.

Although it doesn't say as much in early reading I am prompted that there is an AAT stay in court under 30DC (?) until 21st July 2008.

Lip-Air Pty Limited v Civil Aviation Safety Authority [2008] FCA 866 (5 June 2008)
I think what this is saying is that if CASA had suspended the AOC directly then there would have been an automatic stay. But rather than doing that, CASA cancelled the Chief pilot approval and check pilot approval, which had the indirect effect of suspending the AOC. But this tactic denied the operator the right to an automatic stay. The judge says that he believes this tactic is ultra vires when you look at the totality of the enforcement changes that were made in 2003 which were intended to make CASA decisions subject to effective review. On that basis he granted a stay of the CASA decision pending a hearing by the AAT to determine whether a stay should be granted (the point here is that although the Chief Pilot and check pilot decisions are not necessarily subject to an automatic stay, the AAT can grant a stay under its powers under the AAT Act -so the Federal Court stayed the decisions until the AAT could look at them and decide whether or not to grant a stay)
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Old 29th June 2008, 14:23   #157 (permalink)
 
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Ohh Dear

A few good conspiracy theories going here, makes you wonder really I mean if CASA was run by guys like YOU there would not be any of these problems, right !

and before you leap to the keyboards, NO I don't...

By the way, The CASA "Blitz" or as I have heard it called "The big day out" (out of what I don't know) but anyhow I digress, as it has been said earlier the goss is that it was planned mid 2007. Call it "timing" if you wish.
How many times have we posted about the LACK of CASA oversight, and now we have a go because they are. talk about twisting the story to suit your own purposes.

Anyone know just how many senate enquiries/white papers and/or reviews of gov departments and offices are on the go at the moment. Yes an interesting question, with a VERY interesting answer (both real and percived).

Any how times up, so all the best and lets ask the real question?

Who will be the most dissapointed by the enquiry report!

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Old 29th June 2008, 15:37   #158 (permalink)
 
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By the way, The CASA "Blitz" or as I have heard it called "The big day out" (out of what I don't know) but anyhow I digress, as it has been said earlier the goss is that it was planned mid 2007. Call it "timing" if you wish.
How many times have we posted about the LACK of CASA oversight, and now we have a go because they are. talk about twisting the story to suit your own purposes
I think you miss the whole point.

No one is querying the fact that CASA is taking action. The whole point is that CASA's action is timed to fit in with the Senate inquiry. Even the Lip Air suspension. The show cause was issued over 12 months ago - and nothing was done. Now on the eve of the inquiry CASA suddenly leaps into action.....

As for the blitz being planned in mid 2007 = perhaps ypu can enlighten us with some facts about this planning instead of just relying on the "goss". Whose "goss" is it? CASA's?
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Old 29th June 2008, 16:19   #159 (permalink)
 
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That's OK Clapton, I admit many of the posts on this thread are lost on me.

I was deliberatly unclear in raising the issue of the "Blitz" because I don't actualy know the FACTS. No surprise there, I mean this PPRuNe.

But of course, I suppose that you folks would be good enough to recipricate and produce the facts that CASA has timed the "Blitz" and the Aero tropics AOC thing to coincide with the enquiry.

Surely you will be able to show that there is some other agenda, or perhaps this is just SPECULATION like most of the posts here.


I suspect that you may be in the unimpressed group at the end of the enquiry.

Edit - Just to clear up one bit though
"just before you jump to the keyboards, NO I don't.."
does that make it clear enough.

Tell you what I would be very interested in though.

Maybe you guys could help to make sense out of the Ministers press release of last week. I mean if thats the gov standard, what hope is there for departments trying to operate under them!
Not to mention the confusion it creates to operators like us.
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Old 30th June 2008, 00:27   #160 (permalink)
 
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NT;

This came across my desk this evening and I have not read it fully, nor fathom it at this stage.

Although it doesn't say as much in early reading I am prompted that there is an AAT stay in court under 30DC (?) until 21st July 2008.

Lip-Air Pty Limited v Civil Aviation Safety Authority [2008] FCA 866 (5 June 2008)
What appears to have happened here is that rather than suspending the AOC , CASA cancelled the Chief/Check Pilot approval approval - which effectively meant that the AOC was suspended because you can't operate without a chief pilot. However, as the Court pointed out, if CASA had suspended the AOC then that decision would have been automatically stayed. But rather than doing this, CASA tried to circumvent the automatic stay by cancelling the Chief Pilot approval (as a back door means of suspending the AOC) as such decisions are not technically subject to the automatic stay - although the AAT can grant a stay on application under its general powers.,

The court said that CASA's approach was ultra vires because the changes to the Act which were made in 2003 were inteneded to provide a comprehesive and effectiove review of CASA decisions. So CASA can't try to avoid the automatic stay by using this sort of tactic.

On this basis the Court stayed the decision until the AAT had a chance to look at the matter and decide if the Chief/Check pilot decision should be stayed by the AAT under the AAT's general power.
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