Corey - don't let the washed up ol na-sayers turn you off what for alot of us is a good opportunity...Many of the problems stated in this thread (immigration/licensing issues etc) can be portioned equally to the country's short comings as much as the company and are not unique to Indonesia.
...things tend to take a little longer in developing nations - good luck with what ever u decide
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Gosh lineboy. Washed up? Old? that's hardly charitable. I am certainly not either of those descriptions. The problems with that company are more systemic problems that have very little to do with being based in a developing country, and are more from being owned by a Gin soaked dishonest dreamer that is so far in debt that the dishonesty perpetuates itself to remain in business.. of course the fact that she has employed her own incompetent family members in senior management positions also helps. Of course, the opportunities are fantastic.......if you want to be a pet to a horrid old dragon. (has she hit on you yet Lineboy?..... or is the rotund toad step daughter more your style?) Corey, if you enjoy working for a company that pays the meager pittance your entitled to every now and then. changes your wages and conditions at will, without consultation. Lies to you..... and everybody else, and will fire your ass without notice and withhold you entitlements if you complain or challenge them, go right ahead. be prepared to fly illegally in a "developing country" and also be prepared to be jailed or thrown out of the country when caught, or the bribes haven't been paid this month. Good luck whatever your choice.
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I mean no disrespect for anyone working there, but after talking to a few of my friends in the aviation sector over there, Susi Air is much despised by the local aviation community. Many seem to be talking about it in very unfriendly terms, to put it lightly. I don't know what they've done to deserve so much angst by the locals, but everyone i've talked to has a sarcastic thing or two to say about them.
Passenger appeal for the single engine caravan doesnt seem to be all that high either. Many pax laugh at the fact that they're travelling in a single engine cessna. Not many Indonesians are exposed to a GA aircraft in regular scheduled services so their reaction is understandable.
And please dont shoot the messenger (me). I'm only reporting what i've been hearing from the local pilot community. Have nothing against it myself and i see it as a good opportunity for young guys to get some turbine time and then move on.
WSSS; how can you give this advice to "young guys" knowing that they are being played around with and jeopardizing their career by becoming persistently unpunctual about discipline ethics procedures and legalities.
Basuki, i don't know the full story and only hear from what others have been saying. I dont condone anyone working illegally and if this is the case with Susi Air, then i take back what i said.
if these young guys are knowingly working illegally in Indonesia, then i wonder how they will front up in future job interviews when the question is asked; "have you ever done anything illegal?"
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Some of the folk working and flying without the correct approvals and documents are simply doing as instructed by management. One would assume that as an expat, you could rely on the information supplied by your employer, as they would know the rules and regs a little better than someone who has just arrived in country. So, I guess they could get away with answering the interview question truthfully by saying they have not KNOWINGLY done anything illegally. I would urge any prospective employees to contact the department of civil aviation and the department of immigration and know exactly what is required of you to work and fly in the country your aiming at working in. there will be no surprises for you then.
Evening all, was hoping some current Susi Air employee's could shed some light on whether hours can be logged when occupying the RHS.
As I understand it, these hourse will be recognised as long as you have a CESSNA SET rating on your licence and it states on the AOC that the aircraft must be operated as multi crew. Do Susi Air issue RHS occupants with a Cessna SET rating after initial training? I understand that it is Indonesian law that all a/c with 9 pax or more must have 2 crew at the helm so presuambly the AOC does indeed state that the Caravan must be operated Multi Crew. Thanks in advance!
Hey guys, If I come to susi air for an interview, how long is it before I find out whether I got in or not?I would really appreciate if current pilots at susi air can inform me how long it took.
Also for the pilots in Australia who used to fly for Susi Air. How did you log your flying especially as a FO. Was it difficult to get a job in Aussie witht he experience you gained at Susi or was it not valid?
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but after talking to a few of my friends in the aviation sector over there, Susi Air is much despised by the local aviation community
2 reasons
1. Jealousy - Susi does run the youngest fleet in Indonesia (other operators questioning who is funding this) and gets away with utilising young , cheap , well trained and enthusiastic expat pilots , if other operators could do this also you would find the Indo charter sector using a lot of expat pilots.
2. Inconvenience and business disruption - the ongoing saga of illegal pilots is now having consequences on other operators, a charter operator couldn't have his safety audit conducted last week as the American auditor could not get a ramp pass as it now requires a TNI security clearance, the operator was caught out as this was the first time in 25 yrs that an auditor has been refused access to the ramp to get to their hangar. My own security clearance has been delayed by 2 weeks as they have asked for additional info such as a police report and Dept of Manpower report (I have both already) but now I can't access the ramp of the airport where I work either until this is all processed. This came into effect on 1 December 2009 , I saw the letter to Angkasa Pura from TNI , they were very apologetic and sited that recent cases of expat pilots being caught without proper security clearances has caused the rules to be enforced to the letter.
This is my first time pretty much on here so here goes...
I went to Susi Air in Feb for an interview and got a response about 3 weeks after I returned home to say I didnt quite cut the cake. Was a bit dissapointed but after going there I had decided that it would be highly unlikely that I would have taken it should I have been lucky enough. I also know a mate there who has recently become a Captain with Susi.
There were 5 of us that got interviewed the day that I did, all with different backgrounds, some had Instructors rating, others ATPL etc. I have passes in most ATPL subjects. Whilst I do not want to appear disgruntled or have sour grapes, if you are considering going there, DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE GOING!! Whilst I also knew there was only a 25% chance of a job, SUSI need to realise and acknowledge how far some people come from and what it costs to get to Indonesia, and have things way more organised. The food they provide you is nothing short of horrible and accommodation isnt that great. If you get a job you start on $600 USD per month, this is non negiotable and they call it "Pocket Money" since they pay for everything else. While they have quite a few planes on order the Chief Pilot reckons things are slowing down a bit and they may put people off until later intakes, all seemed a bit strange but it may have also been how he explained it due to the language barrier. I spoke to a few other Kiwi pilots there, some reckoned it was an ok first job, there just isnt anywhere to log the time cause its not really logable untill you become a Captain which could take about a year. I realise first jobs flying arent really going to be in paradise and you need to take what you can get, just think long and hard about this one, it may be for you maybe not. I have traveled to 3rd world countries and think they were almost better that the location of Susi.
not quite true about logging hours. It is deffinitely loggable, DGCA regulations state that part 135 operations require two crew, Susi air is a part 135 operated so you are a required crew member. all hours are loggable.
Not excatly true. The only issue with logging the time, is not the fact that it is a single crew aircraft, A B1900D is also a single crew aircraft as well. But Indonesian law requires that anything over 9 passengers requires 2 crew.
The issue is the fact that you are flying a indonesian registered aircraft on a non-indo licence. Also correct me if I'm wrong here, but your also not rated on the aircraft either.
Some country licenses will have a blanket type rating ie. all single enging non high performance land fixed wing aircraft. If you are flying on a validated license you are type rated. If you get an Indo license you would have to do a Profficiency check to get the type on you license.
Hi all, Recently I have been to Munich for a Susi Air interview. My impression of Susi Air was very good. I had a good conversation with the Chief Pilot, and what he told me about the company sounded really professional. Alright, you won't make a lot of money in Indonesia; but on the other hand the average Indonesian salary is 100 dollar, so 600 dollar is actually really good for Indonesian standards. 3 days after my interview in Munich I was notified by the company that I was not selected for their new pilot training. The explanation was that there were other candidates with better results for the tests. This must be true, cause I blew the tests --> due to a horrible train ride with many delays, I have had only 3 hours sleep and was therefore very tired for the COMPASS test. The tests about the caravan were a mystery for me too, since I have never seen a caravan, let alone know how the fuel draws back into the reservoir if you shut down the engine . Anyway, so no Susi Air for me. But again, I had a good impression of the company (the only problem for me would be the bad pay) and I really like Indonesia (a beautiful country with great people). Good luck to the others who are gonna give it a try with Susi. Let's just hope that more jobs will become available in aviation so that we have some more options of airlines to fly for...
(now I'll be working in pharmacy with my ATPL and ratings up to B737, simply because there are no flying jobs). Ciao, the Kingman
A grand caravan does not have retractable gear, is not high performance, does not require two crew, and is not over 12500 lbs, so no type rating required, except in some countries that require type ratings for turbine engines and other countries that require type ratings for everything. Indonesia, you need a type rating for a C 172. However if you are flying here on a validation of your home country and you do have the blanket rating, you are covered.
. Anyway, so no Susi Air for me. But again, I had a good impression of the company (the only problem for me would be the bad pay) and I really like Indonesia (a beautiful country with great people). 
