Emirates Incident at Melbourne.
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Emirates Incident at Melbourne.
An Emirate A340 was involved in a serious incident on take off out of Melbourne Australia last night. See thread on Pprune.
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/3...strike-ml.html
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/3...strike-ml.html
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see thread in rumours and news
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/3...rike-ml-5.html
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/3...rike-ml-5.html
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Very Very Scary
This is probably the most serious incident to occur in Australia for a long time. A heavily laden (pax and fuel) wide body aircraft is still on the ground at the upwind end of a 12000ft runway, suffers a tail strike during rotation, takes out part of the ILS and some lighting. As someone else said, this is spine chilling. If indeed the crew were flown out of Australia within hours of the event, then someone should be asking some very serious questions. 
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EMIRATES Airlines has confirmed that the pilot and co-pilot in charge of the Airbus A345 that was damaged when it scraped its tail on takeoff from Melbourne on March 20 have resigned.
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Bloggs, I was able to Right Click > Save As on the pdf link to the final report. Here's an alternate link if you still can't get it:AO-2009-012
Interesting to note that fatigue was mentioned in that Herald Sun article one of the pilots did after the incident claiming he had difficulty sleeping and had done alot of flying leading up to the accident however the ATSB reports says that fatigue was not a contributing factor.
From the ATSB report:
This is what was said in the Herald Sun article:
Not quite sure if I would classify 6 hours rest in the previous 24 as 'adequate' rest. However it may be the case they he didn't want to be to well rested before departure as he was taking the first break.
From the ATSB report:
Consistent with the results from the operator’s examination of the operating crew’s fatigue, the location of both operational crew members’ effectiveness towards the top of the Fatigue Avoidance Scheduling Tool effectiveness range indicated that they were not significantly impaired by fatigue at the time of the accident.
That assessment was also supported by the crew providing data that indicated they both had probably obtained sufficient rest during their layover in Melbourne. The layover time was greater than 36 hours and the captain and first officer reported that they did not feel unusually fatigued when they commenced their duty period.
The operating captain reported having 6 hours sleep in the 24 hours prior to the occurrence and 16 hours sleep in the 48 hours prior to the occurrence. The operating first officer reported having 8 hours sleep in the previous 24 hours and 12 hours sleep in the previous 48 hours.
n multiple interviews conducted with the Sunday Herald Sun over a period of weeks, the pilot who has left Dubai with his family and returned to his home country in Europe also revealed: HE had slept for only 3 1/2 hours in the 24 hours before the flight taking off on March 20. THE brush with death upset him so badly he had not slept for four days after the accident.
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EK Tail Strike
No Nev, the ULR "Rest Plan" in the OM-C calls for the Relief Crew to be on first break. The Operating Crew have to wait about 6 hours, so it's assumed they would have been "well rested". Have done that pairing many times both as Relief and Operating, I have been unable to get what I consider proper rest before the Flight despite following the recommended Rest Strategy on more than a few occasions, so I know how he felt. Before anyone says they should have gone 'sick'. There is no point, also no point in filing an A.S.R. as it falls on deaf ears in the "Bouncy Castle". Retribution and punitive action will be the only response. Not surprising as this Company is investing heavily in sponsored Corporate events and employing lots of Aussies. More Political than I imagined. If you don't believe me... ask any EK Pilot how they feel about fatigue, previous and current Rostering / Leave allocation practices.
Not a fatigue issue?? The Crew Members Resigned???
My Ar%e!
Not a fatigue issue?? The Crew Members Resigned???
My Ar%e!
Aviation safety investigations & reports
Investigation title
Flight planning - Airbus A380, VH-OQE, Los Angeles International Airport, USA, 8 October 2011
Investigation title
Flight planning - Airbus A380, VH-OQE, Los Angeles International Airport, USA, 8 October 2011
Summary
The aircraft took off without the correct speeds programmed into the flight management computer.
The investigation is continuing.
The aircraft took off without the correct speeds programmed into the flight management computer.
The investigation is continuing.
If it is the former it makes me wonder if we get 50 close calls for every tailstrike/ overrun?
You know EK_Bus Driver, if what you say is true re: fatigue, then with regard to those doing the investigating I can draw but one of 2 conclusions.....
They are incompetant. Or,
They are corrupt!
They are incompetant. Or,
They are corrupt!
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Yeh I hear ya Krusty. I wonder if the ATSB are getting the "full" picture from our Clowns (no pun intended) in head office in DXB. For example a Temporary Revision that was issued on LPC performance AFTER the "Incident" (read - near disaster!), was very subtly backdated to make it effective, not many of our bleary eyed drivers picked up on it. I'm not implying ATSB are incompetent, I know some ex Mil Colleagues in there that are great guys.
I still stand firm on Fatigue as a contributing factor. It is a huge problem in this Airline.
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I still stand firm on Fatigue as a contributing factor. It is a huge problem in this Airline.
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Yeah, and the crew members 'resigned' Asian style - Caught a flight home from BNE the next night, when they arrived at H/O their 'resignation letters' had been drafted for them which they had to sign, and their families had already been moved out of EK accomodation...nice work. Did somebody forget to teach EK the benefits of a 'just culture'?
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Crew "Resigned"
You are correct Gobbledock. Had they not "resigned", certain threats were made in a rather assertive manner, such as loss of Provident Scheme for one. The main "aggressor" (a certain talking Horse) has since left the Company to improve his Golf Handicap.
Thanks EK_Bus Driver. I did cast a wide net regarding the ATSB, but it makes me mad when the "Authorities" in this country fail to get it right, for whatever the reason. I know the ATSB is only manadated to investigate, but where's CASA in all of this? Oh that's right, CASA (in this case it seems) are TOOTHLESS! And do you know why? Because they choose to be. Australia came to within a bee's whisker of what would have been it's greatest airline disaster, and what have CASA done? ZIP! I mean Good God Almighty. Any responsible regulator would've banned EK from flying into OZ untill a full and transparent investigation was done.
You only need to look at the outcome of the Senate inquiry to see the smoking gun of incompetance and corruption. The last thing these guys want is an investigation into any of the fatigue management systems. Systems that are only in place because they favour the selected airline operators. CAO 48 may not be perfect, but it does at least provide protection. Protection that has been earned (sometimes in blood) over decades of operations. CASA's relationship with the "Big End of Town" is nothing short of scandalous, and it only goes to highlight CASA's failure to act on the latent failures in the system. Failures that they, as an organisation, have allowed to develope!
As gobbledock keeps saying... TICK TOCK!
You only need to look at the outcome of the Senate inquiry to see the smoking gun of incompetance and corruption. The last thing these guys want is an investigation into any of the fatigue management systems. Systems that are only in place because they favour the selected airline operators. CAO 48 may not be perfect, but it does at least provide protection. Protection that has been earned (sometimes in blood) over decades of operations. CASA's relationship with the "Big End of Town" is nothing short of scandalous, and it only goes to highlight CASA's failure to act on the latent failures in the system. Failures that they, as an organisation, have allowed to develope!
As gobbledock keeps saying... TICK TOCK!