Heard this from the refueller today. Apparently it's part of their salary package to make up for the pineapples oops pay cuts. The employees find 'em, the employees get paid. Not only pilots too! Saves the cost of BIG ads in the Oz on Fridays...
I've heard quite a few of the boys have already "spotted" a new GM HR candidate. His name is Reynolds, initial K. Apparently he's worker-friendly, which would be a change, from what I've heard...
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Yes, they should move the CIA to Coffs and move the HR department if it would fit into "The BIG Pinapple". I suspect the person that dreamt up this absurd idea is the same one who dreamt up "Future Bleakness"!
Anyway its not important, the books are full of suitable applicants for all positions. Aren't they??
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Coffs is the banana .
I always thought this concept had been going on for a while, makes me wonder why they now have to dangle a carrot?
After nine years of applying to NJS I finally recieved an offer of interview about a month ago. After weighing it all up I declined, I'm better off in my current job unless they offer better conditions.
WHY would any one in their right mind want apply for a new position in NJS. The cabin crew make more $$$ than a B scal F/O. Morale is shite Money up front, bond, crap pay, roster changes at the company will, 5 yrs contract and then what? Management firmly believe a 717 endorsment is a huge selling point. The717 may be more modern but who operates the bloody things?? Honestly a 146 endorsement will make you more saleable down the track.
Im with you Hoss. I had been applying to NJS for years and had no luck. Finally get an interview just after the B scale is announced and I decided to turn it down.
I hear alot of the new hires have been failing check to lines, could be an indication of the qualitly of candidates they are getting under their new pay scale??
Maybe instead of the finders fee they could offer applicants proper terms and conditions and it will not be so hard for them to "find" suitable applicants.
WOG you are corect. I see that as a little short sighted how ever.
You pay for your endorsement, you are bonded, have at present max 5 yrs contract. In a relatively short time Virgin, Tiger and Joke Star will be searching for pilots. The people that accepted the low pay, crap conditions will either have to fork out $30K to leave or live with NJS for 3 yrs(bonded period) when in all likely hood the other opportunities have dried up What then?
I have no ill feelings towards them as I am not sure what I would do in similar circumstances. Good luck, I hope it is the right decision for YOU.
I hear alot of the new hires have been failing check to lines, could be an indication of the qualitly of candidates they are getting under their new pay scale??
The 146 has been a pain in the arse for newbies for years. A couple of pilots not getting recommended for a check isnt something uncommon for this type of aircraft... it has nothing to do with quality... at the moment anyway.
I'm with you cunniliguist, makes you feel soooooo homesick. I'll bet the Admiral thought this one up or was it Miffeee ?
I guess they don't realise that no one would recommend NJS to a mate if they were a real mate. You couldn't live with yourself and to take money as well!
Mr Renurpp, sorry if I misrepresented in any way but I am not going to NJS. I have already worked for them and am well versed in the machinations of the CIA. I was making an observation from the information 2 blokes I know who have moved across gave me. The only thing I know is they didn't have to think too hard about their moves.
It does bring up an interesting point though. If conditions get worse across the board will there always be a pool of applicants? If a regional lowers conditions then will the employers in smaller outfits also lower conditions? Hence maintaining that upward movement, all the while getting people to pay for ratings. What would stop this decrease of conditions?
WOGboy, there is a very real pilot shortage looming. Your previous employer is about to reach crisis point I think, as there just aren't enough applicants to cover the current rate of attrition, let alone the requirement to increase numbers in the near future!
I'm not sure which "next door" you are referring to, but if it's the one I work for, and you used to, I see nothing attractive about NJS at the moment.
NJS used to be an airline I would've liked to work for, now, definitely not, in fact they are at the bottom of my list. 80% of current wages? A joke I say. And they are trying to introduce this at a time where it will not work long term.
While all the other cheapo airlines have been charging for endorsements and reaping the benefits, they are now being put under increasing pressure to improve conditions. Meanwhile NJS is still lowering them. It may work over the next few months to a year, but I think they have missed the bus. They will soon be in a position where they either have to improve conditions or fail to fullfill their contracts (all of them.)
What will raise conditions is airlines getting to the point where they must compete with each other for a finite pool of pilots. At some point it will not be good enough to offer better conditions than the regionals and flying schools, they will have to offer better conditions than other airlines.
Pittsboy, the next door I was talking about was here at Perth domestic, they fly dash's and braz's and other stuff. The blokes I spoke to said the move was a lay down misere even with B scale and paying for ratings. They also said the current group of NJS pilots were working hard to change the B scale as they thought it wasn't fair either.
I think you should be careful when talking about lack of supply in global employment markets. What with 457 visa's about, that problem would be sorted by any number of people looking to move here. It will be skills that might halt it, but MBA's don't always think like us.
As to the shortage, I think you're on the money there and it will get increasingly harder to fill those mid to high end GA jobs. I know another bloke with some fast business jets who's having problems getting people to tool around internationally in them, good jobs too.
Ah, but there has been a shortage of pilots overseas for longer than there has been here. I don't think overseas pilots will have any great effect on our market.
Goodluck to the NJS mob. If they can get the company to see the light then maybe I'll drop an application in (not that they care whether I specifically apply or not, but I presume there are plenty of others around like me.)
It's hard to tell whether management are in la-la land, or just trying to bluff their way through with an almost straight poker face.
Whereas in the past I have recommended the place to others, and been mostly happy in my employment of the last 12 years, and had been quite content to see my time out, if a suitable opportunity comes along, I'm gone. And I couldn't in all consciousness, recommend any friend or acquaintance join.
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