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Old 30th March 2004, 03:01   #1 (permalink)
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Practice for the QF Sim Evaluation?

G’day all,
I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on what policy Qantas has in regards to the sim eval. in stage 3 of its interview assessment. Their website states:
“It is, however, envisaged that candidates will do some degree of preparation for both the Simulator Flight Assessment and the Panel Interview”.
Does this mean that they recommend getting some time in a 747 sim prior to the evaluation? More importantly do most successful candidates get some sim time for this evaluation and if so, is there anywhere in Oz that you can do it?
Thanks in advance,
SW.
Ps No, I haven’t been called, but maybe one day...

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Old 30th March 2004, 12:25   #2 (permalink)
 
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Answering your two last questions... No, and No. Most people (if not all) don't have any 747 sim experience before they go for it, because there is nowhere to get that experience. Based on that, it suggests that they can't really 'recommend' it.
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Old 30th March 2004, 14:03   #3 (permalink)
 
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Thanks Lancer,
good news as I reckon 47 sim time would be out of my price range anyway
Cheers
SW
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Old 3rd April 2004, 00:14   #4 (permalink)
 
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G'day Scarlett,

The QF sim evaluation is quite straight forward..don't be taken aback that it's done on the 747.There looking at your basic instrument flying and getting you to do a couple of approaches (ILS and NDB).No hidden agendas and very very fair I might add.I'm sure they take into account that your not familiar with the cockpit layout and so forth but at the end of the day an ils approach is the same whether you do it on a light twin or a 747.....good luck to you mate I hope you get the call.
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Thanks Happy
That's what I was hoping to hear, I think I've read and reread the info on the Qantas website so many times I was starting to read too much into it. Thanks for the kind encouragement,
Cheers
SW
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I would endorse what happy said. I have flown with a no. of people who have been thru the sim ride and all say the basic same.They use the 747 sim cause its available,the 2 (engs 1&4) @ idle so its now a twin and just fly the instruments. Use coman(sp) sense dont be a smart arse, dont pretend you know all about the747 you are not expected to know Good luck.
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Just a minor correction for whatsitdoingnow.

The exercise is now flown 4 engines and motion on.

Also, it's done in the Classic, not the B744.

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Old 8th April 2004, 02:13   #8 (permalink)
 
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Aerowinx

check out this website for the Aerowinx 744 precision simulator. A number of people have used it extensively prior to the sim check and got in...

Aerowinx 744

Good luck with the check !!!

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Old 8th April 2004, 06:49   #9 (permalink)
 
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I may be wrong but isn't the sim ride in the classic not the 400?
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Old 8th April 2004, 11:00   #10 (permalink)
 
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The sim is in the classic, all 4 engines operating flap 20, thrust is limited by a "stop bar." Speeds are cat B.

Getting into the sim is pretty overwhelming but just think of it as a bigger playground. If you can manage even a look in a big jet sim do it just to be comfortable with the environment, if you can fly it as well even better.

If you can manage to jump in a frasca sim or the like, put on an unfamiliar model and practice things like climbing at a certain speed and RoC and finding the power & attitude that works. This will be better than playing Aerowinx on a PC.


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Old 8th April 2004, 16:05   #11 (permalink)
 
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G’day gain,
Thanks for all the info everyone.
I reckon my best bet, as most of you said, is to fly as many approaches as possible, regardless of what machine they are on.
Ang – Had a look at the aerowinx sim, have you had a go on it? Is it a useful training aid, even post interview, maybe as a familiarization tool for initial training or even later for recurrent rides? Jeez, with that last question I reckon I might be getting a bit ahead of myself! I’m completely inexperienced in regards to home computer simulations and $400 bucks is a bit of a stretch on the family budget right now, but if it’ll help it’ll be worth the dollars I reckon!
Thanks again for all the advice,
Cheers
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Old 29th April 2004, 08:19   #12 (permalink)
 
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Does any one know of any decent sim prep courses on the east coast ??

Ive heard about an ex QF guy that used to run you through a few hours in a sim at YSBK.....


Anyone know any details and if its worth it ??

Thanks !
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I used an ATC-710 (piper single look alike) prior to pre employment sim on the classic. Worked fine. Just need something to get your scan up to speed. I did about 3 hours just doing same as what the check profile was. Treat the ride like an instrument renewal. Fly with in 10kts and 100ft. Don't charge down the glide slope with full scale localizer. Land on the runway. Goaround if you ***** it up. The guy will be looking at how trainable you are, how you improve and how readily you take on instruction as well as basic instrument flight skills. Know the attitudes and thrust settings for the required performance. Heavy jets are alot more pitch senseitive than light aircraft, so a good scan is essential. Pitch controls rate of descent and thrust controls speed. Use the thrust more actively than in a turbo piston twin. Remember to enjoy it and I'm sure you'll piss it in. I'd worry more about QF's *****ed up phyc test than anything else. Good luck and remember you can never do to much prep.
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Old 30th April 2004, 11:34   #14 (permalink)
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Talking

Take note of what Avguy wrote. It's quite overwhelming when you first get in the box, but no prior knowledge of the Classic is assumed or expected. Best thing is to think of it as just another A/C and just get down and fly it to the best of your ability.

Just a small correction Looka: They won't get to land it. The sim will be reset before the DA/MAPt. Nor is it a CIR renewal.

The key with the ADI is that each graduation on the Classic is at 2.5 deg as opposed to 5 deg for most types of smaller (non-jet)A/C. It takes a bit of getting used to having the illusion of a high pitch attitude on the ADI, so you really need to fly it by the numbers. Set the thrust/attitude combination and give it a little time to work. The old analogy of change, check, hold, adjust, trim applies......There is some lag. Use the Mach drum on the ASI for trends. Don't use the Stab Trim to set your attitudes....

Don't sweat as you'll get a thorough briefing beforehand. Not like the bad old days

Like Looka said: Memorise the handout you'll be sent. You'll have little time to refer to it in the sim. There's no trade secrets being given away here, as all the above will be covered in the briefing.

Good luck.

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Old 5th May 2004, 13:48   #15 (permalink)
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This thread is the highest up regarding Qantas recruitment so just a quick question. Did Aptitude/Skills test about a week ago.Was told three weeks for response. Has anybody been given a 'thru to next stage call' after a week of doing the testing.

It is my understanding things are getting fairly busy so I guess 3 weeks sounds realistic.

Cheers in advance

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