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Old 30th Aug 2012, 14:28   #1 (permalink)
 
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Unhappy caribbean airlines

Seems "the bad ole" days are back in the hole 38+ million $ last year, and on-track for more this year, forget about pilot jobs as flying is down to 30/40 hours a month.
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Old 3rd Sep 2012, 00:38   #2 (permalink)
 
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The entire Caribbean airline industry is a mess.

The travelling public are victims of inflated pricing designed to keep these flabby, unproductive airlines going.

The solution is simple, deregulate, open the airspace up, remove government support, allow new entrants to the market, stimulate competition and let the fittest survive.

Neither LIAT nor CAL are fit by any known metric and use government connections to stifle competition and prevent the airline industry from developing.

Can't see it changing any time soon.
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Old 3rd Sep 2012, 04:40   #3 (permalink)
 
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I'm not saying CAL doesn't have its problems but your information is incorrect (apart from the losses widely reported in the press).

Pilots are being hired both Ab Initio and contract on all fleets and all seats, 737, Dash-8 and ATR. There continues to be a demand for more pilots. Rostes run 55-65 hrs/month on the 737.

CAL has taken delivery of 2 767-300s this past week which will be servicing JFK and YYZ and later, London Gatwick.

The entire airspace has been Open Skies for several years now and many airlines have tested the waters. Spirit has come and gone as has TravelSpan but WestJet flies into BGI with JetBlue pushing further and further south.
RedJet was a disaster of bad planning and a poor business model from the beginning so I'm not even counting them.

Removing Government support cannot work because in order to operate a service like the air bridge between Trinidad and Tobago economically will require a higher airfare, plain and simple. Poorer people will not be able to afford it and it remains necessary for people to travel between the islands.
It's a similar story with the North American routes. If the government left it to AA, Air Canada and the like to link T&T to the rest of the world, they risk exactly what happened several years ago when Air Canada decided to stop the POS-YYZ route with 3 months notice.
Trinidad cannot risk leaving air links to carriers that do not have Trinidad's best interest at heart.
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Old 3rd Sep 2012, 12:42   #4 (permalink)
 
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Are CAL still getting all the remaining ATR's or just 2 more?

As far as Ab-Inito hiring is concerned, I believe the ATR situation determines whether they will continue with the recruitment process started in Jan or stop at what they have.

They interviewed and assessed a batch of applicants earlier in the year. From what I know a few were called, but there are still some awaiting a response (good or bad) from HR

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Old 3rd Sep 2012, 14:15   #5 (permalink)
 
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ok

@ zigzog well as we know caribbean aviation is always rumour laden, my points were made after a disscussion with an active 737 pilot, who`s words were that this is the worst he has ever seen including the old BWIA days.
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Old 3rd Sep 2012, 15:22   #6 (permalink)
 
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@airjet,

Fair enough.........I think rumours make airplanes fly in this part of the world! Well, that and paperwork!

My humble opinion is that the human mind sees the past and remembers only the good bits and therefore 'the good ole days' seem alot better than they actually were.

CAL is a wholly owned government operation, as was BWIA. That means good (subsidies, job security) as well as bad (political meddling, mis-management). BWIA was the exact same.


@A330B777,

I believe the plan is 2 more ATRs for a total of 5.
There's been, I believe 14 new hire F/Os hired for the ATR in the last year or so and many contract pilots on the Dash-8. I'm not aware of any decisions on the Turbo-prop fleet but the rumours say that nobody's particularly happy with the ATR. A deal was reportedly struck with ATR whereby CAL had to take delivery of the minimum (5) aircraft.
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Old 3rd Sep 2012, 21:33   #7 (permalink)
 
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Thanks for clearing that up zig. But I got a question for you, check your pm inbox!
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Old 7th Sep 2012, 07:05   #8 (permalink)
 
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On the recruitment information they state that they hire Trinidadian and Jamaican nationals only. However, i have seen from posts on various other threads that they do take into consideration applicants from CARICOM (this was a while back though and considering the restrictions on current recruitment, it may seem rather difficult).

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Old 7th Sep 2012, 07:45   #9 (permalink)
 
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@17PA

At best, you could get short term contract work like the current contract pilots. But permanent is reserved for Trini or Jamaican nationals.
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Old 11th Sep 2012, 18:42   #10 (permalink)
 
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looks like they're hiring again....
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Old 13th Sep 2012, 13:39   #11 (permalink)
 
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Where did you see that?
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Caribbean Airlines | Jobs | Vacancies
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Old 13th Sep 2012, 20:17   #13 (permalink)
 
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hmm, kinda surprised they put out another advert, considering the last recruitment drive was just earlier in the year.

Considering they getting 5 instead of 9 ATR's, didn't they get enough in the last batch of interviewed candidates?

Its also interesting they asking for TnT CPL's only and not JA ones.

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Old 14th Sep 2012, 16:20   #14 (permalink)
 
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Most likely not, they also just received 2 767s. I`m sure Jamaicans can apply just as long they have a TT CPL. It is a Trinidad based airline after all. I know they just called the last remaining batch of successful candidates from the February interview pool, some are in France training and the others should go round Nov /DEC.
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Old 14th Sep 2012, 18:17   #15 (permalink)
 
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Thats very good news... Im jamaican but dont have TT cpl. Only FAA and JCAA.. However I threw my name in the hat, sitting on TT980 and 75multi.
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Old 14th Sep 2012, 19:41   #16 (permalink)
 
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@ Chock2Chock, So have they notified the unsuccessful ones from the Feb batch as yet? And if so, do you have any idea of how they were notified?

Good luck to all those who apply for this round, Trini's and non Trini's

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Old 15th Sep 2012, 01:58   #17 (permalink)
 
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So have they notified the unsuccessful ones from the Feb batch as yet?
I do not know, I just know of a couple people who never got any feedback whatsoever after the FEB interviews, while others were called to training shortly after. Those that didn't hear anything mostly thought that they were unsuccessful until they received a call in the last couple weeks telling them to get their medicals done. I would imagine tho, that If one has not receive a call-back to this date and they have put out an ad for recruitment then it is fair to assume that they were unsuccessful. It seems like a rather cruel way to operate, but sadly, they are the pretty much the only chance of work for most local hopefuls so they can do as they like.

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NoJoy Thats very good news... Im jamaican but dont have TT cpl. Only FAA and JCAA.. However I threw my name in the hat, sitting on TT980 and 75multi.
I suggest you get your conversions done, thatīs some very nice time you have there are you an FI? Most of the new ab- initio guys have way less than that, but some are Instructors and many have at least a Bachelors Degree.

With regards to foreign contract pilots, I believe that they do hire them based on an immediate demand- they would hire already type-rated professionals, As for Caricom Nationals like any airline in the region they would hire suitably qualified individuals over a Non-caricom national.

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Old 15th Sep 2012, 04:31   #18 (permalink)
 
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@Chock2Chock

thanks for clarifying, I have a friend who is in a similar situation (I guess to most). But my friend called HR last week to find out for sure whats going on, HR checked his file and basically said "nothing has come through yet, but you will be contacted via email". Then a week later the new ad came out, but still no contact in any form

Not entirely sure what to make of that one...it appears he's unsuccessful (as he's prepared for), but at the same time, you just don't know for sure.

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Old 15th Sep 2012, 14:10   #19 (permalink)
 
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I suggest you get your conversions done, thatīs some very nice time you have there are you an FI? Most of the new ab- initio guys have way less than that, but some are Instructors and many have at least a Bachelors Degree.
Yes I have my FI certificates and Bachelors degree in Aviation. I wish I could do my conversions, but I wouldn't even know where to begin to find that money. Do you know the process of converting Jamaican cpl? I couldn't find anything on the TT civil av website.
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Old 15th Sep 2012, 15:59   #20 (permalink)
 
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Conversion info

Conversion information

Converting to a Trinidad & Tobago CPL would cost you approximately $1500 TTD (roughly $250 USD) if you have to write all the exams. The exams are:

Air law (40 Questions)

Technical subjects:

Theory of Flight
Flying controls
Gas Turbine Engines
Supercharging and Piston Engines
Hydraulics
Air Conditioning & Pressurization
D.C Electrics
A.C Electrics
Variable Pitch Propellers


Note: At the TTCAA, you can have your credentials assessed for a small fee, i think it is $150 - $200 TTD whereby they would inform you of the exams you need to sit. ATPL holders are also exempt from some examinations. I know if you have a Canadian issued licence, you are exempt from "theory of flight' and 'flying control'. If you have an FAA licence, you have to do all the exams.

Also, you can sit nine(9) exams at once but a minimum of six (6) has to be done. For the most part, there are 15 questions per technical with the exception of a few (Piston engines and gas turbines) are 30 questions. I am not sure about Theory of flight and Flying controls.

On another note, Failure of any exam would incur a higher fee on the 2nd attempt.

You also need to obtain a First Class medical from an authorized doctor (they will give you a list). This will cost approximately $700 TTD.

Lastly, once you have all the required documents to submit (logbook, photocopies of all licences and the medical) to the TTCAA, there is a licencing fee for the grant of TT CPL of $300 TTD
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