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They say its because Spaniards have a bad attitude but they also say there was bad treatment and conditions involved against this european spaniards from the south american peruvian pilots. ( Lan Perú )
No nerve struck, I just get a little irritated by, quite frankly, moronic sweeping statements by ill-informed posters like yourself.
I replied with respect to your first post, in regards to LPE/Peruvian pilots and their alleged treatment of Spanish pilots. As I said earlier, you clearly don't have a clue as your comments couldn't be further from the truth.
Now you make reference to LAN Chile and the Spaniards and PLUNA. LAN Peru is not LAN Chile, LAN Argentina is not LAN Colombia nor LAN Ecuador for that matter. Yes they are all part of a Holding company listed as LAN Airlines, but each one operates independently by their own set of OMs, SOPs, Regulations, FTLs, labour laws, union agreements, pay scales, company benefits, etc, etc, etc. They are not the same, for example, you cannot transfer from one to another without resigning from the first and joining the bottom of the others respective seniority list.
I suggest you get your facts straight before post.
Peruvian aviation regs state that only Nationals be hired by airlines, with the exception of CAN nationals in recent times. Foreigners can only be hired if and when there aren't any locals who are suitably qualified. The aviation/labour lawyer mentioned in the article opposed the hiring of Spanish pilots because:
1. Plenty of unemployed local pilots. 2. There exist no reciprocity between Peru and Spain.
This can hardly be called racism, can it? Of course not. Seems perfectly acceptable to me. You want to hire foreign nationals? Ok, just give my guys the same opportunities in the their country, and give the guys on the street a chance first. Could I go and fly in Spain if I wanted to? Would Sepla allow it? Real question btw.
So the company was able to convince the government that skilled/rated Spanish pilots were necessary to meet LAN Peru's growing needs of expansion. And as Read, Speak & Write Spanish is an absolute must they looked towards Spanish shores to supplement the already culturally diverse work force.
The Spanish contingency were met with open arms by LPE Pilots. I personally get on quite well with most of them, and am told by most FOs they enjoy flying with them. Nevertheless more than half have left for pastures green of their own accord, with the exception of 1, and some have stayed and settled in (3 plus years and going) I take it the company is looking to recruit more DECs from Spain over the next year, so again clueless about the firing of Spaniards for Pluna guys.
Your post talks about bad attitude and bad treatment from "South American Peruvian Pilots". Why don't you ask those that stayed why they chose to do so, and why this who left did instead of making reference to other forums.
I hope this brings any further discussion on this subject to an end as I have no desire to waste any more of my time engaging in debate with you.
This can hardly be called racism, can it? Of course not. Seems perfectly acceptable to me. You want to hire foreign nationals? Ok, just give my guys the same opportunities in the their country, and give the guys on the street a chance first. Could I go and fly in Spain if I wanted to? Would Sepla allow it? Real question btw.
Very well said! Can´t agree more.
Last edited by chileno 777; 19th Aug 2012 at 19:09.
I have a Ecuatorian friend who is working for an airline in Spain, he come here, did his JAA conversion somehow get the "papers" and now is flying like anybody else.
I have not heard still a "law" that states that there is a limited number of foreigners that can fly in a Spanish airline. Just to keep in mind, as long as you speak Spanish and have the appropiate "papers" and license required you are more than welcome to come on board.
Not only that, I have another 2 Italians friends and one dutch that are working in another Spanish airline, and in a corporate company with absolutely no problems, they speak Spanish "fairly" well.
And if you look around Europe, if you have the right to work and live there and speak the language that is required (German, Polish, English, Spanish, French) somebody from outside the EU have exactly the same rights like somebody else from within the EU.
I am from Spain, however I HATE aviation in Spain that is why I want to go somewhere else, tried South America, Caribbean etc but no luck so far. In LAN Peru they told me that I pass the interview, (along with some other Colombians, Venezuelans, Americans) but the fact that I was from Spain drop me out of it at the time of the hiring (but not some of the others).
Regarding Copa.... They hire everybody for Captains, regarding FO's they dont like foreigners, they preffer send to the 737 sim Panamenians with 250 TT that does not speak English AT ALL, there is a high percentage of fresh Panamenians CPL's that FAIL the type rating, not because their skills, because some of them they do not even know how to say "Hola" in English.
I think we should leave on the side all this thing about racism and all this stuff because let me tell you that in EVERY country is a lot of racism with foreigners, in Spain, Peru and EVERYWHERE ELSE.
You are not making a fare comparison because there is a quite big difference between foreigners that currently work in Europe and overseas citizens that pursue a job in Peru as pilots:
Foreign pilots in Europe must have the legal right to work in the EU (should be a legal resident) and the airline company does not sponsor this process. By the other way, expat pilots intending to work in Peru or in some countries in Latin America, do not have the legal right (they are not legal residents) neither are required to posses it in order to work there, and most of the time the company sponsor them with the visa in detriment of local pilots.
Question is: Would European pilots agree that foreign pilots were allowed to work in EU not having the right to work in the continent?
Last edited by chileno 777; 25th Aug 2012 at 21:46.
I think is a totally fair comparison, that is why I expressed what I really think.
Most of the airlines does not help to get "work" permits, I went to an interview with AIRES (LAN Colombia), passed the interview, they told me as soon as I am able to get the "work permit" somehow to give them a call.
If a Chilean want to work in Iberia, I am going to explain you the process.... First get your JAA tickets, then get married with a Spanish girl and then apply to the airline that you wish to work.
In order to work in LAN and anywhere in South America you need a work permit otherwise the airline will not hire you,.... another different story is corporate, I know there are pilots working with Tourist visa, but that happen EVERYWHERE.
The answer to your question is NO, European pilots will not allow anybody without a work permit to work in Europe, the same applies to Chileans, Peruvians, Americans, etc...
By the way I am heading back to Africa next month, let me know where you are and we can talk about this over some beers!!!
Forget it guys!!, It´s not a serious company. I have some spanish friends waiting since one year ago. LAN sent them a "wellcome letter"one year ago after they passed all the assesmet process, even they were instructed to contact with Chilean aviation in order to start with their licence conversion..., in fact some of them left their jobs due to the imminent company admission!!!, and after that the company dissapeared!!. No explanations, no news.... unanswered mails!!. No comments.
To N1 who wrote about Mexican pilots do not allow foreigners to work in Mexico N1 sorry but it is written on the Mexican constitution. To change that would require more than political will.
Last edited by VONKLUFFEN; 26th Nov 2012 at 11:47.
Can´t agree more.
