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Old 30th Oct 2017, 21:40   #1 (permalink)
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Transport Canada might leave all pilot proficiency checks up to the airline..

Transport Canada might leave all pilot proficiency checks on airline pilots up to the airlines themselves, according to documents obtained by the union representing government inspection pilots.

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Old 30th Oct 2017, 21:54   #2 (permalink)
 
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This relates to check airman certification rather than routine line pilot PCs ? The first sentence in the article didn't exactly indicate that, saying "...might leave all pilot proficiency checks on airline pilots up to the airlines themselves...".

So, if I understand this correctly, “…the union representing government inspection pilots. The Canadian Federal Pilots Association, which represents mostly federal government pilots…”, sees their jobs being threatened by check airman certification being moved in-house to the airlines ?

“The documents also say that Transport Canada is having trouble hiring qualified inspector pilots.”

Well, of course they are.

Have I missed something ?

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Old 30th Oct 2017, 22:31   #3 (permalink)
 
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"I think it's very, very important that people understand we are getting closer to self-regulation all the time," said union president Greg McConnell. "It's just more cutting, more dismantling of the safety net.”
Hmm, not convinced. I'd have to speak to our resident expert but:
1. I believe we've had those in the UK for decades.
2. Being in an unassailable position, they won't stand any nonsense from their airline.
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Old 31st Oct 2017, 14:44   #4 (permalink)
 
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OK, where are you going to find jobs for the misfits we use to do the job now? Maybe put them in charge of the water fountains?
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Not a chance the government lets this pass without first identifying another form of tax or service charge.

Perhaps they treat the ACP like the ATPL going forward: an ACP applicant has to complete the course to a written exam, now administered by TC for which a $300 fee is applied (ATPL fee x2 because why the hell not). The monitor is taken over by the airline. Monitors must take another course and pay $500.

Then the person demonstrates they have, or have held, the appropriate license and applies to TC for their little sticker. 90 days later and after five phone calls to the local office, the applicant gets a temporary certificate in the mail. 120 days later they get the sticker.

Then, to maintain currency, the ACP must complete x checks in y time period. Furthermore, they must pay TC some fee, say $110/year (Medical fee x2 because, again why the hell not) to stay legal.

If any of this comes to pass, I’ll agree to wear a “traitor” sign so you know its me. :P
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Not a chance the government lets this pass without first identifying another form of tax or service charge.

Perhaps they treat the ACP like the ATPL going forward: an ACP applicant has to complete the course to a written exam, now administered by TC for which a $300 fee is applied (ATPL fee x2 because why the hell not). The monitor is taken over by the airline. Monitors must take another course and pay $500.

Then the person demonstrates they have, or have held, the appropriate license and applies to TC for their little sticker. 90 days later and after five phone calls to the local office, the applicant gets a temporary certificate in the mail. 120 days later they get the sticker.

Then, to maintain currency, the ACP must complete x checks in y time period. Furthermore, they must pay TC some fee, say $110/year (Medical fee x2 because, again why the hell not) to stay legal.

If any of this comes to pass, I’ll agree to wear a “traitor” sign so you know its me. :P
Sounds like Australia.
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In all honesty, I don't see a problem with this.

In the 30+ years that I have been flying jet transport aircraft in Canada, I have never met a Transport Canada Air Carriers Inspector that I thought was more capable, more worthy of respect nor more intelligent than a company line check captain. In fact, I can cite many examples where they have done more harm than good.
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right now half of the ACP's in TC's online directory either have moved on, havent kept currency, or don't have valid phones or emails
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CrewBunk,

You're right , a lot of these guys had no clue , never flown the aircraft , absolutely zero systems knowledge , conpletely shocking
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In fact, I can cite many examples where they have done more harm than good.
Please do, but don't forget to provide facts to support them.
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“The documents also say that Transport Canada is having trouble hiring qualified inspector pilots.”

Well, of course they are.

Have I missed something ?

I can appreciate that. When you look at the package the Government is offering for, effectively, well-qualified, current and very employable pilots, they aren't going to many eager applicants. Sure, it would be great to play a role in recontributing to aviation but not at such a financial cost.
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