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Old 26th Nov 2012, 11:46   #1 (permalink)
 
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320 rating renewal

Hello:

I need to renew the 320 rating on my Canadian licence: any recommendations on where to do it?

I will be paying for it so I hope it's affordable!

Thank you

P.S.: as I am in Europe at the moment, I could also use a contact for a Canadian 320 TRE on this side of the pond. Thanks

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Old 26th Nov 2012, 13:58   #2 (permalink)
 
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A320 Renewal

I went back and did my renewal at CAE Toronto. It was about $3,200USD
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Old 27th Nov 2012, 11:00   #3 (permalink)
 
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Thanks for the info.
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Old 27th Nov 2012, 12:09   #4 (permalink)
 
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just out of curious,

do you have the type rating with you on your canadian license yet?

what do you mean by renew your TR? make it current? or convert to your canadian one?

i have my a320 tr as well, did it in june, wonder if i should do another check ride to keep it current.
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Old 27th Nov 2012, 15:15   #5 (permalink)
 
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Hi,

Yes I have the 320 type on my licence but as I fly on my overseas licence I have never actually been checked on the 320 in Canada, which is why I am looking for a sim...

Cheers
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Old 29th Nov 2012, 07:15   #6 (permalink)
 
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Olbie,

Are you saying that your A320 type rating is not on your Canadian License, if the as long as your overseas license is ICAO then there is no reason to conduct a type rating in Canada. Have a look on the TC website or email them. I completed this process within the last 6 months.

From memory this is what you will need when you show up at a TC office:
- Your ICAO license with your type rating on it,
- Your logbook showing 100 hrs on type in the last year (they will take photocopies)
- Fill out the form
- Pay the $30 processing fee

A couple of months later a sticker will show up in the mail.

If you need to renew your Canadian IFR as long as you have hold a valid ICAO IFR rating which has been issued / renewed in the last year you are not required to resit the exam. You will have to provide the foreign ride report and have the IFR renewal on your ICAO license. Once again email TC and they will help you, they did for me.

Hope this helps
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Old 30th Nov 2012, 00:14   #7 (permalink)
 
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Generally good advice. I would only add that the A320 rating you have must be part of a licence from a "Contracting state". The list is quite large as I recall, but you should do some research to confirm if your licence is from one of those states.
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Old 30th Nov 2012, 04:46   #8 (permalink)
 
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One more thing,

If after all this advice you find that all you need to do is renew your IFR just find an FTU with an approved Redbird sim. Not as flashy as an A320 but about 1/3 of the cost aswell.

Cheers
DW

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Old 2nd Dec 2012, 04:17   #9 (permalink)
 
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Hi,

to confirm:

-the 320 type is on my Canadian licence
-my IR is valid

However I have never done a 320 PPC on my Canadian licence, which means that I am not currently qualified to fly the type as far as Canada is concerned.

Which is why I am looking for a sim.

Thanks
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Old 2nd Dec 2012, 05:00   #10 (permalink)
 
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you know what,

there's a way to do it,

I would require the following from you to add a two crew type rating to your Canadian ATPL-A.

If you have been issued the foreign type rating and it is on your foreign licence, then you are required to provide the following documentation to Transport Canada for the issuance of the type rating on to your Canadian Pilot Licence:

1. Complete the Flight Crew Permit/Licence-Application for Endorsement for a Rating (form number 26-0083).
2 Provide a legible photocopy of your foreign licence showing the type rating that is being requested.
3 Provide a copy of a completed Flight Test within 12 months preceding the date of the application of a rating.
4. In place of the flight test above, evidence of having completed 50 hours on the aircraft type within 12 months preceding the date of the application of a rating. A photocopy of your personal log book, a flight log from the company of employment indicating the hours flown on the type requested are some examples of what we would accept.
5. A fee of $30.00 payable by cheque or credit card for the processing of the type rating endorsement. If paying by cheque please make the cheque payable to : Receiver General for Canada and include your licence number on the cheque.



hope it will help.
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Old 2nd Dec 2012, 08:41   #11 (permalink)
 
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However I have never done a 320 PPC on my Canadian licence, which means that I am not currently qualified to fly the type as far as Canada is concerned.

Which is why I am looking for a sim.
No one can be truly "qualified" to fly the A320 in Canada unless they complete a PPC under Air Canada's training program. That is because Air Canada is the only Canadian operator who has the type on their AOC.

You can complete an IFR renewal on an A320 simulator in Canada, but that will not qualify you to fly the type in Canada. Should you ever be hired to fly the A320 with a Canadian operator, they would need to have the A320 on their AOC, approved SOPs and an approved training program. You would need to complete sufficient training to prepare you for a PPC under their program. As a type qualified pilot, you would not need a full initial course. You could be qualified under the requirements of CASS 725.124 subpart 28A:
(28A) Hire of Type Qualified Pilots
(amended 1998/03/23; no previous version)

(a) In this standard, "equivalent qualification" means a qualification achieved under an approved Transport Canada course.

(b) An air operator may hire a pilot holding a Canadian type qualification or foreign equivalent qualification , with no PPC on type in accordance with Part VII of the Canadian Aviation Regulations, and shall ensure that, as part of the initial training:

(i) the candidate's last check on the aeroplane type was conducted on a synthetic flight training device;

(ii) the following is part of the training:

(A) company indoctrination;

(B) pilot ground and emergency procedures training on each type of aeroplane the pilot is assigned to, sufficient to cover the air operator procedures and equipment differences;

(C) standard operating procedures review;

(D) training in synthetic flight training device or flight training sufficient to pass a PPC; and

(E) sufficient line indoctrination to allow the pilot to become familiar with the air operator routes and operational procedures. In no case shall this be less than two sectors over typical route segments that the air operator flies; and

(iii) the candidate pass the following checks:

(A) completion of a PPC; and

(B) completion of a line check.

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Old 5th Dec 2012, 17:27   #12 (permalink)
 
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Type Rating vs. PPC

When you get a PPC, you also get a Type Rating.
When you get a Type Rating you DO NOT get a PPC.

A Type Rating just means you are qualified on type.

A PPC is only done with company training. WetJet and Sunwing both operate the 737NG. All pilots have a type rating, but the PPC's are different. It is company specific and is based on how that company operates their aircraft. You cannot transfer a PPC from one company to another.

An individual cannot get a PPC unless they are employed at the company. They may however get a type rating.
If you already have the type rating on your Canadian licence, it will do you no good to "renew" it.
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Old 7th Dec 2012, 02:07   #13 (permalink)
 
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You are correct that there is a difference between a type rating and a PPC. But you can transport a PPC from one company to another. Here's a quote from the Commercial Air Service Standards - 725.124 (28):
Transportability of a Pilot Proficiency Check - Training Required

Transportability of Pilot Proficiency Checks from one air operator to another is permitted subject to the hiring air operator providing the following training which shall be specified in the approved operations/training manual:

(a) company indoctrination;

(b) pilot ground and emergency procedures training on each type of aeroplane the pilot is assigned, sufficient to cover the air operator procedures and equipment differences;

(c) standard operating procedures review;

(d) sufficient line indoctrination to allow the pilot to become familiar with the air operator routes and operational procedures. In no case shall this be less than two sectors over typical route segments that the air operator flies;
(amended 1998/03/23; previous version)

(e) completion of a line check; and
(amended 1998/03/23; previous version)

(f) the hiring air operator records the PPC validity and expiration date in company records.

Part VII - Commercial Air Services - Transport Canada

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Old 8th Dec 2012, 20:31   #14 (permalink)
 
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Its in the CASS but in reality J.O. have you ever seen PPC transportability done in Canada (705 ops)? If there ever was an opportunity (J.O.'s familiar here ) it was Nov. 2001 when some 85 Canada 3000 pilots (all Airbus rated with current PPC's) were hired to fly Skyservice A320's and A330's and to my knowledge, not 1 PPC was transported.
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Old 8th Dec 2012, 20:40   #15 (permalink)
 
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When that event in 2001 occurred, there was difficulty getting access to the training records of those 85 pilots and because of the limited time available, SSV had to give those pilots PPCs. Subsequent to that, several seasonal pilots were hired in the winter in the mid 2000s as the fleet grew and a good number of them were on layoff from AC. Their PPCs were transported and the training as listed in the standard was provided. More recently, pilots have had their 737 and Q400 PPCs transported as well.

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Old 8th Dec 2012, 20:56   #16 (permalink)
 
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So it does happen. Thanks for the update.

Seasons Greetings!
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You too! You have me at a disadvantage though. I don't know who I'm wishing them to.
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