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Old 25th Aug 2012, 14:07   #1 (permalink)
 
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4 dead in southern Ontario plane crash

Four dead in Moorefield plane crash - thestar.com
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Old 25th Aug 2012, 15:46   #2 (permalink)
 
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Latest report says it was a 172.
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Old 28th Aug 2012, 13:20   #3 (permalink)
 
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Very sad, 4 young lives snuffed out in a heartbeat. The aircraft was rented from Waterloo Flying Club. The photos look like it came down almost vertically with very little forward motion.
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Old 29th Aug 2012, 11:53   #4 (permalink)
 
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I don't have any special knowledge of this crash, though I did see the interview of the witness, who said that the aircraft "spiraled down until it hit with a thud."

That sounds to me like it could be a spin. With four people in a 172, on a planned sightseeing trip of more than an hour, it's likely that the fuel tanks carried a larger quantity of fuel. That would very likely result in an aircraft at a weight heavier that the 2100 pounds, and C of G further aft, than that required for the utility category. The aircraft would have very different spin recovery characteristics if it were beyond the W&B limits for the utility category.

During my spin testing of larger Cessnas I have found that aft C of G's can require a well executed spin recovery technique to get a prompt recovery. Casual or poor technique can certainly prolong the recovery.

Though this is very sad, I can't stop wondering if youthful exuberance resulted in the addition of a few "maneuvers" to a sightseeing flight. It would not be the first time....
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 00:33   #5 (permalink)
 
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Just to add to what you said Pilot DAR. The accident happened in the training area which was well away from their intended flight path from the sight seeing trip.
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Old 30th Aug 2012, 12:04   #6 (permalink)
 
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I thought that the maximim takeoff weight of the C172 was 2300 lbs, not 2100 lbs. In any case, the initial reports said they'd been in the air for close to 2 hours when the accident occurred so they should have burned off a fair amount of fuel by then. But it is true that the accident happened in the area where WWFC has done their airwork for many years. I do hope that he wasn't showing off for his friends. As PilotDAR said, a 172 with weight in the back seat / baggage area handles much differently during stalls and spins. When I was teaching on them decades ago, we were forbidden to do stall / spin training with any payload weight aft of the front seats.

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Old 30th Aug 2012, 22:18   #7 (permalink)
 
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As per the PoH J.O
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