Hi friends. I am planning to move canada with canadian pr. ( no citizenship) . Im 31 years and holding faa ppl and aircraft engineering degree. Im planning to start my cpl once i reach there. Will i be able to join with an airline onece i get my cpl done ?
for the work in aviation there is a lot of chance that you ll get a three years waiting period before getting a security clearance.
you said you can apply for your permanent resident directly with a company or just the embassy ?
to get a working permit you ll need to have one of the most look for qualifications and work experiences. but i think there is no new applicants before next july 20013. there is over 1 millions requests up to now that has not been treated....
You don't simply "join an airline" with a CPL. You need to build hours and work your way up. There are no "cadet" type programs in Canada. There is a long list of Canadian pilots building hours and working the crappy jobs to get their shot at an airline job. It sounds like you know nothing about aviation in Canada.
Your best bet is either to try and get the Canadian school that does your CPL to give you a job at the end as an instructor (which they probably wont be able to do due to them having to prove you could do the job and a Canadian couldn't) or meet a nice Canadian girl
If you've got a few years of aerospace engineering experience you might be able to get PR off that when they restart accepting apps in 2013.
i really dont know about aviation in canada. thats why i wanted to get some information from you guys. thanks a lot for your replies. yeah. i am struggling to make my career as a pilot. Because you have one life. you got to do what you like to be or what you like to do.
Ah, the customary PFO posts as there are plenty of local folks 'paying their dues' replies. That being said a little bit of research on this forum and other Canada centric threads should answer most of your queries. Just don't expect a warm welcome. Good luck.
No...that's right AV8TR. We should gladly welcome more foreign pilots into Canada to take jobs from Canadians. It's only the CANADIAN thing to do!
Sunwing has used up a bunch of positions with foreigners that guys here could have filled. And let's face it....flying a 737 at a charter that probably won't be around in 5 years, like most of them, is a "time building" job. But one that someone that was born in Canada should get.
Carriers overseas that are hiring ex-pats in droves are doing so not because they are cheap labour, they are doing it because there are no qualified, experienced pilots to choose from on their home soil. Not so in Canada...or the US. It sort of rips me when someone "decides" they are going to just slide into canada and take a great job, and if there isn't one...what the heck...the socialist regime that is Canuskistan will take care of them. Whos' paying for that? I am. And meanwhile, my son struggles trying to find a flying job.
If the guy can get a visa, whats your problem? And your point here is moot, this guy is not walking into Sunwing.
From what I have experienced so far, the people who put in the hard yards, get out there and actively look for a job, get hired. The ones who sit at home sending out half assed CV's to every email they can find, hoping to get a nibble, don't get hired.
People come from across the globe, then spend weeks traveling around by bus, train and hitchhiking to find a job. (After investing thousands of dollars into the local economy and keep instructors flying) Poor little hard done by Canadian boy doesn't leave daddies study and cries about not getting a job. This is Africa all over again, just colder.
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Bunkhog so if your boy was offered a job flying for an airline in the UK or anywhere in Europe (where there are plenty of unemployed local pilots) you'd tell him to turn it down cos it wouldn't be fair to the locals would you
I really hadn't expected such an attitude from Canadians, but maybe that says more about my naivety than anything else.
In my career in the airlines I have flown with, amongst others, Canadians, and many European nationalities, both in the England, my home country. I have found that they have been welcomed into the airline, and into the country. My point is that people move both ways, into your country (which ever it may be), and out of your country. I have no idea what the net figures are but it doesn't matter.
I may well be making a move to Canada myself in the near future. My girlfriend is a headmistress in primary schools, and a Canadian national. She has been living in England for about 17 years, and has decided to return home. I really hope that I can go with her, and continue my career as a pilot in Canada, and I really hope I will be made a bit more welcome than some of you seem to be making sheronfrd, and as welcome as we might make you if you came to live and work in our countries.
I was talking about the German pilots flying in Canadian cockpits. Separate thread...the reciprocity in canadian pilots working overseas doesn't seem very balanced.
He's left daddy's study. But now is competing for jobs with people who weren't raised here. Unemployment is high enough in this country that I don't think we need to keep handing out visas or letting hundreds of thousands of unemployed immigrants arrive to compete for what scraps there are. I just think maybe a moratorium on immigration until we take care of locals may be worth thinking about.
Fair point, but the world is a bigger place than that nowadays. These things never seem very balanced, and organised by people much further up the payscale than you or I. You can try lobbying your unions on these issues, and if there is a case to answer I am sure that they will take it all forward. Sounding off on bulletin boards like this never achieves a great deal, although I know the feeling of having a good rant from time to time.
As it happens I applied for the Canjet contract as I have several thousand hours on the 737, but as I don't have 200 hours on the NG I am not eligible. The 200 hour requirement was requested by the Canadian department for immigration (or which ever relevant department in the Government) to ensure that Canjet were 'importing' an experience level that wasn't available in Canada. I can't believe there aren't sufficient pilots of the advertised experience in the country, but apparently there aren't.
I think you will find that people who immigrate here and live here as permanent residents or become citizens are more than welcome by coworkers. This is a country built on immigration from centuries past. But don't expect a welcome mat if you are just looking for a temp workers visa or something along those lines.
I think you are setting yourself up for failure if you have an idea to get a 705 airline job at any airline in this country as a low timer just starting out. As a low timer you should expect air taxi or commuter options maybe getting a start as a Beech or Metro F/O if you're lucky.
Cargo airlines here such as Kelowna Flightcraft (Purolator) hire pretty high time guys as well to ride sideways in the 27s or DC10s - even the Caravan guys at Morningstar have ATPLs, several thousand hours and did a few years in the back of the 27 before they were able to get that spot...
Good luck coming here but know that you will not get a job without residency first and then you will work your ass off to compete with 100's of guys trying to get the handful of jobs that will take guys getting their first start.
Bunkhog has it spot on. It is not necessarily immigration that it the issue. It is the Reciprocity. Try applying for an immigrants Visa to China and see how far you get. That being said there is a very obvious reason so many people are keen to leave China, India, Pakistan. Been to all 3, they all stink.
Be as PC as you like but these guys will be taking your jobs one day soon as they are far more motivated and know how to work the system. It is an invasion but nobody has the balls to identify it as such yet.
altiplano, I'd love to agree with you, but there is a tinge of animosity whenever someone solicits the general opinion about chances for a newbie, in aviation and the country. That is self evident in the numerous posts in this thread and other similiar ones on this forum. As mentioned ever so eloquently, it is an invasion. Yikes.
And sheren, the requirements you see online or on job postings are MINIMUM requirements. Selected candidates far exceed these when they are offered the job. Canadian aviation is tough and extremely competitive. There are guys with thousands of hours looking for a job. Mind you, there are jobs available, but the TnC's are deplorable. I'm glad you have your PR and are contributing to the 'invasion', but research the plight of Canadian aviation before making the life altering leap to this side of the world. Is UL that bad or not hiring? What about Mihin?
In the UK we've thought for ages that all somebody has to do is hide in the back of a truck to Dover then step off and claim their citizenship, free phone, house and life time subscription to unemployment benefits. Thing is even though it sometimes feels like that it probably isn't that easy (may'be )
If you live in Canada you probably think that about Canada but it really is not easy for someone to get PR for Canada, and nearly impossible as a Pilot. Unless you have a skill/occupation that Canada really needs you aint getting in. If you dont believe me have a look at the Canadian immigration website and assume that you're not a Canadian and are trying to get residency, you'll see how difficult it is.