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Old 22nd Feb 2013, 16:34   #1 (permalink)
 
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Travel Blogger Thrown Off a United Airlines Flight for Taking Pictures

Here the story of a travel blogger who was thrown off a United flight because he took a picture of the seat in front of him

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Last Thursday I was scheduled to fly from Newark to Istanbul on United's direct flight. The 767-300 was outfitted in a two-cabin configuration, staffed by a legacy United crew, and I had been upgraded to business class. It was my first time on this reconfigured aircraft and my first longhaul in the Continental BusinessFirst seat. Naturally, I wanted to provide a review for you.

As I settled into my seat, I pulled out my iPhone to take a few pictures of the seat. When I held the phone at forehead level to take the picture below, a flight attendant came running over and told me that I could not take any pictures of the cabin. She referenced this section of the Hemispheres magazine:

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Old 22nd Feb 2013, 19:05   #2 (permalink)
 
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Crazy response on United's part IMHO but it's just the type of paranoid behaviour that pervades the USA airports and airlines these days.
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Old 22nd Feb 2013, 19:15   #3 (permalink)
 
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Not just the USA. I was threatened with police when I took a photo of the electronic exchange rate display in a bank in Guildford, because they said they were 'yesterdays' and refused to honour them.

I was threatened with being thrown off a First Western train for taking photos of the filthy disgusting seat and surrounding litter and filth where I was expected to sit.

And in France I was told I was not allowed to take a photo of a loose drain cover on a public road which had caused 4000 of damage to a car I was driving, and was threatened with violence.
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Old 22nd Feb 2013, 19:15   #4 (permalink)
 
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paranoia or wot
try going on Airliners.net | Airplanes - Aviation - Aircraft- Aircraft Photos & News and "trip reports"
On of the best recent articles was a trip report on Iran Air, the travel writer invited in cockpit. Say no more
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Old 22nd Feb 2013, 20:10   #5 (permalink)
 
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Crazy. I would hate to see how she'd cope on a Saturday night Ibiza! No matter how awful a passenger is you must tell the complete truth and state the facts only. It seems in this case she lied.

As a former FA, the only time I'd take issue to was filming certain procedures - and then it was a polite "sorry, but we don't permit photography in the cabin". Sometimes you'd get a snotty answer but as long as filming stops then I've achieved what I wanted them to do and left it at that. I've never felt the need to take it further.

This industry just attracts idiots unfortunately who go on power trips. When you think of the two other high profile meltdowns that FAs have had in the USA recently I can't help but think something could be improved in terms of recruitment and training.

We have the same pressures and threats that they have in the US but I can't remember any European meltdowns whilst on duty.
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Old 22nd Feb 2013, 20:50   #6 (permalink)
 
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This is one of my favourites - perfectly legal to take pics in UK when in public places!

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Old 23rd Feb 2013, 05:25   #7 (permalink)
 
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On of the best recent articles was a trip report on Iran Air, the travel writer invited in cockpit. Say no more
Again Iranian hospitality knows no bounds. Great people Great place s**t politics.
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Old 26th Feb 2013, 09:00   #8 (permalink)
 
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It's something I have (privately) lamented many times over the last decade......Osama and his buddies could never have envisioned the ongoing disruption, the maniacally paranoid jumps to conclusions, the utterly insane assumptions that are made of everyday law abiding citizens......the deprivation of freedom and liberty they managed to unleash on the west, it really really sh!ts me the way they accomplished soooooo much more than they ever set out to do......

All the 911 guys were Saudis......why when I was last in Seattle, at King field, next to (my) RAAF Wedgetail (737) were Saudi variants of the same....(I think,.....I am not the most military astute ppruner by any means!) But still!, Why the Saudis?? They were the 911 guys!!!!, they must have relatives laughing their arses off about the never imagined BS Osama and his fellow Saudi terrorists managed to achieve, way beyond what they expected no doubt!

If the report is true the United Captains failure to even make eye contact is disappointing in the extreme.....almost more so than he carelessly unleashing the 'we'll call police on you if you make it difficult'......that sort of crap would have Osama and his Saudi buddies happy beyond anything they thought they would achieve......and that is Sad & Regrettable.....
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Old 26th Feb 2013, 09:12   #9 (permalink)
 
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I have to say that every time I go through the time and money wasting farce called security at an airport, standing there in my socks and with my trousers hanging loose because I've had take my belt off, toiletries in a pathetic plastic bag, the same thought goes through my mind ........ those bastards won!
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Old 27th Feb 2013, 11:50   #10 (permalink)
 
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I must feature in photo albums all over the world the number of times a customer has photographed me in the cabin (certainly I am in a lot of Japanese albums). That FA had totally lost her sense of humour on that day. Wonder why they didn't just ask to see the photos that he had taken if they were concerned?
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Old 27th Feb 2013, 15:10   #11 (permalink)
 
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Interesting point Ottergirl. Would most cabin crew (I daren't say Stewardess even though I think it a compliment) mind having their photo taken or would you consider it poor form?
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Old 27th Feb 2013, 15:56   #12 (permalink)
 
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Are you blond, as that would maybe explain the number of photos by Japanese passengers. My experiance with people from the land of the rising sun, and blond Western women is, er intresting to say the least .

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Old 27th Feb 2013, 18:21   #13 (permalink)
 
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Taking photos of crew

Hi, airsmiles! As a crew member, I personally would not want customers on board to photograph me... You ask if most crew would mind having their photo taken - I think they would, especially if not asked first. Funny that only a couple of weeks ago I noticed a man pointing his camera in my direction while I was standing in the cabin during boarding at Heathrow. I said nothing at first, but as he did it again I approached him and asked along the lines "Excuse me Sir, but I noticed you pointing your camera in my direction a couple of times...are you taking pictures of the cabin or of myself?" . Both him and his friend started giggling and then he showed me his camera, and there was a photo of me! I politely asked him to delete the picture, he apologized and that was the end of it - no need to cause a scene or big drama.
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Old 27th Feb 2013, 20:36   #14 (permalink)
 
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DutchStar,

Are you working for a UK airline? If so after a review of the legislation I believe that you have no legal right to stop anyone photographing you.

An aircraft is a private place upon which entry has been gained in accordance with the conditions of carriage (unless the airline has explicitly banned photography in these conditions of carriage) then the laws of the rest of the UK would be in force, that you can photograph people and places without their consent.

Potentially one could argue that, for example filming the flight deck door entry procedures could be an offence under S58 of Terrorism Act 2000.

The best advice in the UK at least, is to allow people to take photographs as apart from a small handful of locations, it is perfectly legal even if you don't like the fact you are being photographed.
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Old 27th Feb 2013, 21:02   #15 (permalink)
 
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The law is one thing, respect is another. When I'm returning to the UK after a long week or three travelling the world in business, I must admit I love to see welcoming smile of a BA or Virgin stewardess. However, I'm with Dutchstar and think taking a photo would be disrespectful and bordering on the creepy. A smile is all it takes thanks.
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Old 27th Feb 2013, 21:14   #16 (permalink)
 
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I agree Airsmiles, but before a cabin crew member can order a passenger to do something.. That order must me lawful.

I certainly as the Captain would not offload a passenger for taking a photograph of the crew (even if unflattering)
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Old 27th Feb 2013, 22:39   #17 (permalink)
 
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Fireflybob, agree that's a good clip.
The police should charge the security numptys with wasting police time.

Last edited by Lantern10; 27th Feb 2013 at 23:43.
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Old 28th Feb 2013, 08:51   #18 (permalink)
 
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Fireflybob, agree that's a good clip.
Immensely satisfying to see the Jobsworths being thwarted. The police, on the other hand, who were courteous, well briefed, and knew the law, just about managed to conceal their irritation with the "security" guys, earpieces and all.

The chief constable's guidance letter - reproduced at the beginning of the clip - is evidence that we still live in a largely civilized society.
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Old 28th Feb 2013, 09:06   #19 (permalink)
 
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@ PT6A,
Yes, I do work for a UK airline. You are right that we cant legally stop people taking our photo onboard the aircraft. When I had those 2 guys a couple of weeks ago, I asked them what were taking pictures of and he was the one who showed me his camera without being asked and even apologized. I approached him with a smile and spoke politely and I feel they were not expecting me to have noticed they were taking a picture of me and were a bit embarased. Anyway, I asked and luckily they deleted it. Obviously I am aware that throughout the 16 years Ive been flying people might have taken my photo without me realizing it...
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Old 28th Feb 2013, 14:46   #20 (permalink)
 
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DutchStar,

The problem comes if the two gentlemen in your story had refused to of stopped taking pictures... You are then left without a leg to stand on....

Best advice is leave them to it, not doing any harm taking photographs.

A terrorist has nothing to gain from filming the flight deck security procedures anyway...

1, they are self explanatory

2, a couple of minutes on google will find you the airlines operating manuals anyway!
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