British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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Oh dear, if there are numbers of Comrades attending BFC is down on the first day of this IA how is it going to look at the end of day 17?
I suspect that Unite had an inkling that this strike would be poorly supported, hence the last minute attempt of puling an iron out of fire last night by kindly offering to suspend IA. They must think WW is stupid....
I can see BA getting significant more flights reinstated as the week progresses, and with that more strikers finally seeing that this strike is going to get them nowhere.
It's time to admit defeat, BASSA have been out-manoeuvered for the last 12 months by WW, the job now is to recover the best possible deal for the crew and move on.
I suspect that Unite had an inkling that this strike would be poorly supported, hence the last minute attempt of puling an iron out of fire last night by kindly offering to suspend IA. They must think WW is stupid....
I can see BA getting significant more flights reinstated as the week progresses, and with that more strikers finally seeing that this strike is going to get them nowhere.
It's time to admit defeat, BASSA have been out-manoeuvered for the last 12 months by WW, the job now is to recover the best possible deal for the crew and move on.
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pride before a downfall says me.....in the last 3 yrs working for another outfit, I have seen my salary drop 25%, my pension calved but by god am I glad I have a job. The industry has been destroyed in the last two years in the recession, it's time unite lose their pride as Willie will stay firm. He has the backing of the city to sort outdated working conditions and bring BA in line with other efficent operators. I see people believe Tescos is a better offer if BA get their way.....I dont think so. I have guys screaming to come back to the UK after heading off to the desert where the hills were greener or sandier in this case. Hope someone sees sense here, gets head together otherwise there'll be tears and tears very soon.
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UPDATE FROM HEADQUARTERS!!!
BA are starting to reinstate flights more than expected
The LAX is the latest to be reinstated
nearlly 70% of crew hae turned up so far
Ops reporting smooth operation as well as IFCE
CRC quiter then last time due to flightssnd crews actually getting away smoothy and less crew "hanging" around CRC
guyz it looks as if the BASSA flop is well and truely , well FLOPPED!!!!
Fresh reports coming in as I type from news channels, apparenly picketts are ending at 1600Hrs. reason given is crews suffering from heat,
also being reported there are not enough crew showing up at Bedfont
it look as if it is a total shambolic disaster!
BA are starting to reinstate flights more than expected
The LAX is the latest to be reinstated
nearlly 70% of crew hae turned up so far
Ops reporting smooth operation as well as IFCE
CRC quiter then last time due to flightssnd crews actually getting away smoothy and less crew "hanging" around CRC
guyz it looks as if the BASSA flop is well and truely , well FLOPPED!!!!
Fresh reports coming in as I type from news channels, apparenly picketts are ending at 1600Hrs. reason given is crews suffering from heat,
also being reported there are not enough crew showing up at Bedfont
it look as if it is a total shambolic disaster!
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Eddy opined earlier:
Yes indeed - and in more ways than one.
When it comes to promotion and preference in the future, the names of those cabin crew who took the trouble to support British Airways will be flagged up for reward.
Remember: what goes around comes around.
Every crew member who swipes in will be going somewhere...... I have no doubt.
When it comes to promotion and preference in the future, the names of those cabin crew who took the trouble to support British Airways will be flagged up for reward.
Remember: what goes around comes around.
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I don't actually believe that, Churchy.
BA is notoriously bad at rewarding good performance, good attendance or good anything. People are often promoted - and I'm sure most will agree with me - based on what happens on one day of their working lives with BA - the day they're interviewed [for promotion].
So no, I'm going into work but I don't expect to benefit from doing so at all.... And nor do I want to.
BA is notoriously bad at rewarding good performance, good attendance or good anything. People are often promoted - and I'm sure most will agree with me - based on what happens on one day of their working lives with BA - the day they're interviewed [for promotion].
So no, I'm going into work but I don't expect to benefit from doing so at all.... And nor do I want to.
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I normally don't pay any attention to what's said on Crew Forum but I'm being fed constant email messages (despite not wanting them) from a non-striking friend who is a member of that site who has another friend who is at Bedfont..... So this info is third hand..... BUT the info I'm getting is that attendance is superb.
HOWEVER, the press seem to be suggesting otherwise.
Another case of "who to believe". Personally, I pick neither of them.
HOWEVER, the press seem to be suggesting otherwise.
Another case of "who to believe". Personally, I pick neither of them.
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Here's an update of today's LH flights - so far - looking good to me!
ORD x 2 (2)
SFO x 2 (2)
LAX x 2 (3)
MIA x 1 (2)
ATL x 1 (1)
JFK x 4 (6)
EWR x 2 (3)
LAS x 1 (1)
IAH x 1 (1)
DFW x 1 (1)
IAD x 1 (2)
PHL x 1 (2)
BOS x 1 (3)
DEN x 1 (1)
YYZ x 1 (2)
YVR x 1 (2)
GIG x 1 (1)
LOS x 1 (1)
NBO x 1 (1)
ACC x 1 (1)
TLV x 1 (2)
DXB x 1 (2)
MCT x 1 (1)
DEL x 1 (2)
BOM x 1 (2)
BLR x 1 (1)
MAA x 1 (1)
NRT x 1 (1)
PVG x 1 (1)
PEK x 1 (1)
Cancelled destinations include - MEX, PHX, BAH/DOH, EBB, CAI, YYC and BWI.
ABV, KWI, RUH, DEL, BOM, HKG (1 CANX), CPT, JNB (2), GRU/EZE, SIN and BKK/SYD are scheduled to operate tonight as per schedule.
(Some destinations and departures may have been forgotten)
ORD x 2 (2)
SFO x 2 (2)
LAX x 2 (3)
MIA x 1 (2)
ATL x 1 (1)
JFK x 4 (6)
EWR x 2 (3)
LAS x 1 (1)
IAH x 1 (1)
DFW x 1 (1)
IAD x 1 (2)
PHL x 1 (2)
BOS x 1 (3)
DEN x 1 (1)
YYZ x 1 (2)
YVR x 1 (2)
GIG x 1 (1)
LOS x 1 (1)
NBO x 1 (1)
ACC x 1 (1)
TLV x 1 (2)
DXB x 1 (2)
MCT x 1 (1)
DEL x 1 (2)
BOM x 1 (2)
BLR x 1 (1)
MAA x 1 (1)
NRT x 1 (1)
PVG x 1 (1)
PEK x 1 (1)
Cancelled destinations include - MEX, PHX, BAH/DOH, EBB, CAI, YYC and BWI.
ABV, KWI, RUH, DEL, BOM, HKG (1 CANX), CPT, JNB (2), GRU/EZE, SIN and BKK/SYD are scheduled to operate tonight as per schedule.
(Some destinations and departures may have been forgotten)
Eddy,
I think you are absolutely correct. There should be no expectation that BA will reward personnel who have backed it - while that might be nice, this has never been the BA way.
Anyone who backs BA should do it for the only reason that is valid - to ensure that the company and it's employees have a future.
I think you are absolutely correct. There should be no expectation that BA will reward personnel who have backed it - while that might be nice, this has never been the BA way.
Anyone who backs BA should do it for the only reason that is valid - to ensure that the company and it's employees have a future.
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With regards to rewarding those who backed BA, is there perhaps a case for giving back Staff Travel to strikers, but rewarding those CC who backed BA?
That way you recognise those who have made the effort to help our passengers and ensure, through negotiation, that those CC are not affected any cut in pay?
I just think it's essential to creat a distinction between those who cost our company so much cash and customer loyalty, and those who didn't - staff travel removal may not be the answer to put some smiles in the cabin.
Just a thought........
That way you recognise those who have made the effort to help our passengers and ensure, through negotiation, that those CC are not affected any cut in pay?
I just think it's essential to creat a distinction between those who cost our company so much cash and customer loyalty, and those who didn't - staff travel removal may not be the answer to put some smiles in the cabin.
Just a thought........
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Burger-o-meter
Stopped for petrol on my way home this afternoon and ended up in the queue in conversation with the '(burger) man with the van' who'd been serving the "masses" today. "Same again tomorrow?" says I; "Not worth my time mate, not many folk there" says he. Hmmm.
Eddy,
We are a service based business. If crew are unable to deliver the product with the necessary grace they should be, and will be "performance managed" into a role more suited to their attitude!
We are a service based business. If crew are unable to deliver the product with the necessary grace they should be, and will be "performance managed" into a role more suited to their attitude!
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I operated my shorthaul there and back today (I'm a Eurofleet CSD), 2 of 3 of us turned up, standby called immediately, left on time, back early, jumpseat used on way out (Longhaul CC commuter!! - no issue with us), almost full on return.
I don't expect special treatment - just to keep my job, and to avoid any desperate measures that may or may not be employed when the strike mandate ends.
I don't expect special treatment - just to keep my job, and to avoid any desperate measures that may or may not be employed when the strike mandate ends.
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With regards to rewarding those who backed BA, is there perhaps a case for giving back Staff Travel to strikers, but rewarding those CC who backed BA?
What about the other 30,000 who backed BA?
The days of rewards for doing your job hopefully are long way in the past. The reward for those backing BA should be enough that their job still exists, be they cabin crew, vcc or anyone else in the company.
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The reward is simply a way of creating a clear distinction between those CC who Backed BA and those who didn't.
I. along with many VCC, simply want to keep the company going in the face of a strike over ridiculous reasons (if they had ACTUALLY been getting 30% pay cuts and losing their jobs through New Fleet, I would never have volunteered)
The money WILL BE SAVED in IFCE. What we need to start doing now is find ways to restore customer service but ensure strikers realise if they go on strike, it better be for a bl**dy good reason.
I'm not interested in punishing strikers.
More interested in rewarding those who were very brave in coming to work, of which no VCC or any other dept into that category.
The reward is simply a way of creating a clear distinction between those CC who Backed BA and those who didn't.
I. along with many VCC, simply want to keep the company going in the face of a strike over ridiculous reasons (if they had ACTUALLY been getting 30% pay cuts and losing their jobs through New Fleet, I would never have volunteered)
The money WILL BE SAVED in IFCE. What we need to start doing now is find ways to restore customer service but ensure strikers realise if they go on strike, it better be for a bl**dy good reason.
I'm not interested in punishing strikers.
More interested in rewarding those who were very brave in coming to work, of which no VCC or any other dept into that category.
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Nevermind
I respect your opinion and suspect that we will have to agree to disagree.
...agree
... disagree. As I said, having a job, still largely unaffected by the financial crisis is, or should be, reward enough for all. No need to hand out tickets etc, the reward will be enhanced ST priority for all workers, not just CC.
If ST with seniority is given back to strikers, in effect it disadvantages everyone who backed BA, so that is a big no from me. It's not as if they weren't told it would happen. I think what WW has offered for people who struck first time around is extremely generous. He must not be seen to reward bad behaviour by returning ST with full seniority to any striker, or BASSA will spin it as a victory.
Furthermore, it will actually encourage future bad behaviour by any staff section.
As I say, we aill have to agree to disagree.
I respect your opinion and suspect that we will have to agree to disagree.
What we need to start doing now is find ways to restore customer service
I'm not interested in punishing strikers.
More interested in rewarding those who were very brave in coming to work, of which no VCC or any other dept into that category.
More interested in rewarding those who were very brave in coming to work, of which no VCC or any other dept into that category.
If ST with seniority is given back to strikers, in effect it disadvantages everyone who backed BA, so that is a big no from me. It's not as if they weren't told it would happen. I think what WW has offered for people who struck first time around is extremely generous. He must not be seen to reward bad behaviour by returning ST with full seniority to any striker, or BASSA will spin it as a victory.
Furthermore, it will actually encourage future bad behaviour by any staff section.
As I say, we aill have to agree to disagree.
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I think we may have to agree to agree actually.
Never reward bad behaviour - my kids know that!
I think we both sing from the same hymnsheet on that one.
However, consider the facts. The strikers are at BFC, while most of their alleged grievances have been negotiated away in the last few weeks. We, as a business, are getting our savings from them. So WW's savings will be made.
So now, how do ensure you don't reward bad behaviour?
By perhaps offering rewards for good behaviour, or in this case, extremely brave behaviour.
Where we will disagree is your perception of you personally being disadvantaged by strikers getting ST seniority back. Have a think about truly often you use it and how often you don't get on the aeroplane, or in the cabin you want.
Is that really worth the bad feeling for years to come? It's a no cost item, and I think we can start to win some hearts and minds - although, I agree with Eddy's wise words earlier in the page.
Some hearts and minds were never there to begin with.........
I think we may have to agree to agree actually.
Never reward bad behaviour - my kids know that!
I think we both sing from the same hymnsheet on that one.
However, consider the facts. The strikers are at BFC, while most of their alleged grievances have been negotiated away in the last few weeks. We, as a business, are getting our savings from them. So WW's savings will be made.
So now, how do ensure you don't reward bad behaviour?
By perhaps offering rewards for good behaviour, or in this case, extremely brave behaviour.
Where we will disagree is your perception of you personally being disadvantaged by strikers getting ST seniority back. Have a think about truly often you use it and how often you don't get on the aeroplane, or in the cabin you want.
Is that really worth the bad feeling for years to come? It's a no cost item, and I think we can start to win some hearts and minds - although, I agree with Eddy's wise words earlier in the page.
Some hearts and minds were never there to begin with.........
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Nevermind
Second point first, not worried personally, as I said
in comparison to the strikers.
Your first point, the strikers were told of the consequences of withdrawing their labour. WW should give no more, and I would reward continued bad behaviour with a P45 - no question, they are trying to destroy the company from within and need exorcising. That in itself would reward the brave CC by removing the snide whispers in the future from those who are not suitable for the job.
As you or Eddy said
So now, how do ensure you don't reward bad behaviour?
By perhaps offering rewards for good behaviour, or in this case, extremely brave behaviour.
Where we will disagree is your perception of you personally being disadvantaged by strikers getting ST seniority back. Have a think about truly often you use it and how often you don't get on the aeroplane, or in the cabin you want.
By perhaps offering rewards for good behaviour, or in this case, extremely brave behaviour.
Where we will disagree is your perception of you personally being disadvantaged by strikers getting ST seniority back. Have a think about truly often you use it and how often you don't get on the aeroplane, or in the cabin you want.
it disadvantages everyone who backed BA
Your first point, the strikers were told of the consequences of withdrawing their labour. WW should give no more, and I would reward continued bad behaviour with a P45 - no question, they are trying to destroy the company from within and need exorcising. That in itself would reward the brave CC by removing the snide whispers in the future from those who are not suitable for the job.
As you or Eddy said
Some hearts and minds were never there to begin with.........
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If there DOES have to be a compromise, however undeserved.........
How about giving all the strikers exactly what they want – if, indeed, they know what that is? Give staff travel back with original date of joining. However, give the rest of the company (those that backed BA) a new staff travel priority code that overrides the strikers’ travel seniority. Therefore they will always have a lower priority than those who backed BA and will be placed at the back of the queue.
That way they can’t say they have ‘lost’ ST, or their seniority date. But it ‘rewards’ the rest of us who care about and have supported the company we work for.
How about giving all the strikers exactly what they want – if, indeed, they know what that is? Give staff travel back with original date of joining. However, give the rest of the company (those that backed BA) a new staff travel priority code that overrides the strikers’ travel seniority. Therefore they will always have a lower priority than those who backed BA and will be placed at the back of the queue.
That way they can’t say they have ‘lost’ ST, or their seniority date. But it ‘rewards’ the rest of us who care about and have supported the company we work for.
