British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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To be honest I think if Tony Woodley had his way then this whole mess would have been sorted out months and months ago.
Unite, through its rule change, has dissolved into a mess of egotastic mini unions running around as if they rule the roost. Tony Woodley as a 'chief negotiater' and by all accounts a professional negotiater, has as much authority within his own Union as Willie Walsh does within the said same Union!
Tony Woodley can negotiate professionally to achieve balanced outcome for his members but then he has to 'sell' it to a bunch of amatuers who negotiate with their emotions and personal agendas rather than the overall interests of their membership. Why else have we seen the goal posts change so often and emotive issues such as ST and dismissals becoming major negotiating points.
Unite has collapsed internally and now we, as those who see the economic climate for what it really is and our customers are paying the price.
Bring back the ability within Unite for the paid, professional negotiaters to slap junior sub boards around their petulant backsides and make them accept a deal that is for the benefit of the majority of their members rather than holding out for sweeties that benefit the minority.
BASSA have fired the shots that will kill them. Tony Woodley must be sad to stand down seeing the mess he leaves his 'Untie' union in.
Heady days ahead!
P.S. Seems there are lots, lots, lots more flights being stood up over the coming days. Let BASSA strike for eternity.
Unite, through its rule change, has dissolved into a mess of egotastic mini unions running around as if they rule the roost. Tony Woodley as a 'chief negotiater' and by all accounts a professional negotiater, has as much authority within his own Union as Willie Walsh does within the said same Union!
Tony Woodley can negotiate professionally to achieve balanced outcome for his members but then he has to 'sell' it to a bunch of amatuers who negotiate with their emotions and personal agendas rather than the overall interests of their membership. Why else have we seen the goal posts change so often and emotive issues such as ST and dismissals becoming major negotiating points.
Unite has collapsed internally and now we, as those who see the economic climate for what it really is and our customers are paying the price.
Bring back the ability within Unite for the paid, professional negotiaters to slap junior sub boards around their petulant backsides and make them accept a deal that is for the benefit of the majority of their members rather than holding out for sweeties that benefit the minority.
BASSA have fired the shots that will kill them. Tony Woodley must be sad to stand down seeing the mess he leaves his 'Untie' union in.
Heady days ahead!
P.S. Seems there are lots, lots, lots more flights being stood up over the coming days. Let BASSA strike for eternity.
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I cant believe you STILL don’t get it the strike is all about IMPOSITION because if [I like] willie [but not] walsh can change our terms and conditions without the union agreeing things this time then he can DO WHATEVER HE LIKES next time like having us work on flights then do check-in or baggage handling or whatever and it’ll be you next especially the PILOTS who earn too much and don’t do anything because the aircraft FLIES ITSELF and they just sit there and plan what to tell willie walsh to do next especially that bloke on the airbus the one who controls all the VCC they are strike breakers who only do it because they wanted to be cabin crew and FAILED their interview so now they take it out on the decent honest crew by ordering LOBSTER downroute and making the crew pay while they talk about their room upgrades which the CSD should get ahead of the FO just like the bookable tickets only we don’t get them any more because we stood up to the BULLIES and protected the airline by going on strike anyway staff travel is crap and no-one uses it but if WW gave it back there would be no strike.
Firstly aircraft fly themselves......how fantastic....why do we need pilots at all then, damn...spend £66,000 on training for the bl@@dy thing to fly its self, should have learnt on a flymo!
If it was as simple as "giving back staff travel" then everything will be alright,,,,,what a wonderful dream world that would be. I can see it all now, WW gives back the staff travel,2 minutes later it’s another thing and another thing and another thing....get real please. JUST AS YOU HAVE CLEARLY POINTED OUT IT IS NOT ABOUT STAFF TRAVEL
now a little lesson on what is imposition, unfortunately managers need to manage, unions need to contribute towards solving problems, not be the cause of them. If something is contractual then it needs agreeing, if it is not and the business needs to change and reshape then it has the full right to do so. Crew member off the A/C (get over it) was NOT contractual, the courts proved that...NEXT??
ah now let’s back track 6 months, it was JUST about imposition, put the crew member back on the plane and there won’t be a strike.........change the bleddin record for Christ sake UNITE before you drown in your own pity and sorrow, you aren’t getting a crew member back and you aren’t getting staff travel back......but one thing you will get is your P45s or an offer on new fleet if you push this too far
the choice is now quite clearly yours!!!
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They just don't get it do they..maybe when we (are) all in the JobCentre looking in the unskilled section the reality might just dawn
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I agree with what you both say, really I do. Here is where I am coming from:
Those of us who have trained for years are being held to ransom by those who have trained for weeks. It's very hard for me not to be angry by this whole situation so if I sound harsh it's because of my frustration.
All this because the company wanted to remove ONE person from some of our flights! Has all this been worth it?
Those of us who have trained for years are being held to ransom by those who have trained for weeks. It's very hard for me not to be angry by this whole situation so if I sound harsh it's because of my frustration.
All this because the company wanted to remove ONE person from some of our flights! Has all this been worth it?
Most crew can't, with that legacy, be accused of anything more than gross naiivity, but sadly the cost of that quality could well be unemployment.
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so where will we be on the 10 june as a company?
after the strikes have finished ( if they get that far ) BA cannot and will not put up with more ballots.... it cannot negotiate with a union / branch that keeps saying NO to everything... So simply Denounce the union and impose the proposal thats on the table....
if you are unfortunate enough not to be on a fixed roster by the 12 june after the mandate to strike has finished ...then you are in effect still taking IA ....Any alarm bells ring yet??? If not ....They should be !!
for those who were foolishly led down the road of distruction by the unions ..... their reward will be to be offered New Fleet.... for the doubters out there.... simply wait 15 or so days and wait and see
instant savings for the company .... no new recruitment needed etc
after the strikes have finished ( if they get that far ) BA cannot and will not put up with more ballots.... it cannot negotiate with a union / branch that keeps saying NO to everything... So simply Denounce the union and impose the proposal thats on the table....
if you are unfortunate enough not to be on a fixed roster by the 12 june after the mandate to strike has finished ...then you are in effect still taking IA ....Any alarm bells ring yet??? If not ....They should be !!
for those who were foolishly led down the road of distruction by the unions ..... their reward will be to be offered New Fleet.... for the doubters out there.... simply wait 15 or so days and wait and see
instant savings for the company .... no new recruitment needed etc
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Listening to the morning reports, expect to see many more flights re-instated over the next couple of days as the BFC mob will probably just claim we're doing more 'landing practice' again.
Even the BBC business anaylst suggested BA might and probably should just look at terminating the employment of the main troublemakers in BASSA and deal with any unfair dismissal claims. This would certainly lead to a fresh start.
Even the BBC business anaylst suggested BA might and probably should just look at terminating the employment of the main troublemakers in BASSA and deal with any unfair dismissal claims. This would certainly lead to a fresh start.
"Twitter row grips Unite." If it wasn't so serious it would be hilarious...an article about Woodley's criticism of Simpson's allegedly "catastrophic" tweeting has just appeared on the Times website...I know it has been said before, but the union leadership's performance throughout this whole affair will surely be deserving of retribution from the membership when the post mortem starts. Apparently Laurel & Hardy will be performing again at BFG later today.
BA strike begins as Twitter row grips Unite - Times Online
BA strike begins as Twitter row grips Unite - Times Online
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if you are unfortunate enough not to be on a fixed roster by the 12 june after the mandate to strike has finished ...then you are in effect still taking IA ....Any alarm bells ring yet??? If not ....They should be !!
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Interesting to see there aren't any reports of all our A/C being parked up at Shannon and Cardiff this time
Apparently Laurel & Hardy will be performing again at BFG later today.
BA cabin crew strike - live updates | Business | guardian.co.uk
Tony Woodley and Derek Simpson, the unite joint general secretaries, will not be attending the strike HQ at bedfont today, which has not drawn the attendance levels of the weekend March strikes. The weather and the fact it is Monday account for this, union officials say.
which means less people have turned up than planned! Talk about spin.
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Sooner or later BA will have to heed the advice of my long deceased father:
'If you have something tough, something hard to do, the sooner you do it the better'
And the sooner BA do it the better everyone will be.
'If you have something tough, something hard to do, the sooner you do it the better'
And the sooner BA do it the better everyone will be.
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The Guardian is reporting that attendance figures at Pciket Central are way down on last time and that union leaders are blaming the fact that this is a long strike AND................
.....THE WEATHER
for the poor attendance.
Forgive me, but if I were on strike in 30oC I can think of nowhere better to be than a large patch of open grass with a group of friends/colleagues, a beer in hand and a variety of fast food right on my doorstep by means of catering carts.
.....THE WEATHER
for the poor attendance.
Forgive me, but if I were on strike in 30oC I can think of nowhere better to be than a large patch of open grass with a group of friends/colleagues, a beer in hand and a variety of fast food right on my doorstep by means of catering carts.
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One thing to remember:
It's not the number of flights departing - it's the NUMBER OF CREW reporting for duty.
This will determine if the strike is successful or not - even if the crew are not going anywhere after they have swiped in.
It's not the number of flights departing - it's the NUMBER OF CREW reporting for duty.
This will determine if the strike is successful or not - even if the crew are not going anywhere after they have swiped in.
Any stories of volunteers being stood down again?
Cabin Crew turned up to fully crew the reduced schedule.
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Every crew member who swipes in will be going somewhere...... I have no doubt.