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Old 21st May 2010, 22:09
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Flight on EF have been moderately busy to full. Certainly not dead as stated above.

Flyby - you should make a guest appearance with Steve Allen on LBC. The two of you would be most entertaining!! I love your posts!!
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Old 21st May 2010, 23:32
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Just flown home up to Scotland and there were 26 passengers on my 319. The same aircraft heading back south had 6 passengers.

These flights were reinstatements.

The three flights to my home town that had never been cancelled (all seven due to operate today ended up going, despite all be the previously mentioned three being cancelled initially) all went full......


- chances of a resolution being found before Monday???? Any guesses?
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Old 21st May 2010, 23:34
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I don't doubt the flights that went empty or with very light loads were flights that were reinstated. Just pointing out its incorrect to state that all flights are full.

And by the way no cargo on the flight I operated on.
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Old 21st May 2010, 23:39
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Bang on, Oz.

Did make me wonder if ego got in the way of sensible decision making.... WHY send a plane to Scotland with 26 onboard only to have it fly back with just 6? I'd understand if the return was packed; but why not just leave the pulled flights cancelled?

Same as your aircraft - I bet it came home pretty empty, too.
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Old 21st May 2010, 23:50
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Hi Eddy

Still away due to come back tomorrow on a 747 with no more than a 100 paxs approx 4 of the 100 premium passengers.

I really want this resolved but now I know WW is the problem. He is acting like a spoilt brat making the situation worse with his juvenile comments.

God only knows what his game plan is but he is not acting like a normal CEO. Time will tell what his agenda is. Personally I think with each day passing by the media is seeing through him.

Anyway lets just hope for all our sakes this mess is sorted out.
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Old 22nd May 2010, 00:06
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Recognise anyone here ? YouTube - British Airways cabin crew on strike 2010 - Demonstration at TUC

This is what the labour party really thought about the strike - YouTube - British Airways cabin crew strike 2010 - Colin Burgon, Labour MP on

The madness of BASSA : YouTube - BASSA/UNITE - BA CABIN CREW STRIKE - THE TRUTH
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Old 22nd May 2010, 00:53
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This guy puts it beautifully.....

YouTube - British Airways' Cabin Crew Had Enough
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Old 22nd May 2010, 01:59
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facts right please

Flybymerchant - you posted around 20.00hrs this evening - I have just read your post - I am a CSD with 32 year service, I now work 50% my P60 for 2009 - 2010 was 21,703.00 after tax.. where on earth do you get 70,000 from - utter garbage.. as for describing fellow colleagues as parasitic cancer .. please do try to A. get your facts right and B. be little more respectful - this could be you soon.. I assume you are employed by BA .. No I will not strike but I do have respect for my colleagues who choose to.
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Old 22nd May 2010, 02:12
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'few qualifications', perhaps you are right flybemerchant - academics, no..
you are possibly correct, however we do have many crew who are very qualified with university education...but what we all do have is decency and decorum something that you are lacking .. and this my friend is why our customers come back ..not a smooth landing, ryanair and easyjet pilots do that everyday - take care with what you say 'what goes around comes around'
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Old 22nd May 2010, 02:22
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see above - now I want to strike!

this is flybymerchants post that made me so mad that - i now want to strike !


are so accurate with the pennies that this is after tax? I think it is....so therefore over £40,000 as 100%, which you and I know isn't anywhere near 100% as a normal job (40 hour week plus)- sorry, not much sympathy, it's a windfall wage with so few qualifications, for such an easy job for such little work. Sorry to have a go at you, but I feel this has gone beyond sensible niceties...spoke to a cc member on 33% on SH who takes home £26,000 a year AFTER TAX!!! Come on, let's stop pretending to the junior cc that we're all in this together!! There are some old contract CSDs who get over £70,000 a year before tax...how do they square that with the rest of the cc community? Lie about it?

I hope all strikers get sacked with zero pay, there, I've said it. Get rid of them, they're work-shy layabouts. They're nothing but bad news and a parasitic cancer to this great company- get rid of the soiled nappies and let's get on with outgrowing this regrettable baby stage

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Old 22nd May 2010, 03:16
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The scenario you describe above might indeed come about - but luckily we're not represented by BASSA.
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Old 22nd May 2010, 04:52
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From 2012, allegedly, new pilot intakes into British Airways will be on revised salary scales and BA will set up the Flight Crew's version of New Fleet.
Naughty naughty PCF You shouldn't tell porkies and hide behind "allegedy".. You get my wooden spoon award for the thread so far
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Old 22nd May 2010, 05:25
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The reinstated flights are empty, indeed. But that's because pax have changed their travel plans or have been booked onto a different flight within the disrupted period. I have Fico access and have seen many full flights for the last couple of days. I think BA have decided to re-instate some more flights for one reason: If certain flights are getting cancelled too often, the airline could risk loosing the departure slots. And such a slot at LHR is worth millions.
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Old 22nd May 2010, 07:13
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Hot Wings and Spin Doctor I refer you to my post 3332.
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Old 22nd May 2010, 07:20
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The usual scaremongering nonsense from BASSA.

Its actually called Project Sirius and is just one of a number of company investigations into better use of resources (Oooooo how dare the company explore ways of succeeding) - in this case a Customer Experience project.

Cirrus is a flight planning product.

But dont let that get in the way of some good 'ol FC bashing.

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Old 22nd May 2010, 07:22
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I listened to WW and DH on Radio 4's Today programme this morning. As I am FIRMLY against strike action I suppose I am naturally biased towards WW. However; DH did come across as calm and articulate. I was shocked at this because so far I have felt that as Branch Secretary the man has not made a rationale decision in the best interests of his members. He didn't however state any points which could be possible routes to resolution. His biggest gripe seemed to be that WW had never met him and only dealt with TW / DS directly. That's it? The interviewer did bring up the fact that he had been dismissed. DH claimed that this was a strike breaking tactic. Luckily the interviewer didn't push for the real reasons....

So is the only reason were starring into the abyss because WW won't call DH? Someones nose is out of joint???

To be balanced, WW comments were sound bites from a longer statement I think he had made yesterday so he did not face any direct questions.

PS: why is everyone hung up about Net earnings. Just talk about Gross otherwise it's not like for like comparison.
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Old 22nd May 2010, 07:32
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It is your right to strike, but consider emotions running very high here, which is why this whole sorry mess needs to be sorted, for all our sakes.

One comment should not and must not, influence your thinking. Respect to you.
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Old 22nd May 2010, 08:23
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I find it difficult to reconcile the numbers involved with crew ballotting and striking.

So about 5500 recently voted online to reject the last BA proposal.
Around 2500 actually went on strike last time.

There are 13,000 total crew, of whom just under 10,000 are Bassa members.

So it seems to me that less than a 3rd are likely to strike this time.

There are many really fantastic crew in BA. Many have been very brave in coming to work and standing up to the militants. Many are intelligent enough to realise the practicalties and reality of coming to an agreement with BA.
It does always seem to me that the best crew respect their job , and their employer; and the pilots too!

So let's not tar them all with the same brush.


Last word on csd pay.
Basic full time csd pay is 44,000 ish.
add 9,000 for allowances
and add 9,000 for other payments (mtp figure which is , allegedly, not high enough).

et voila, 62,000pa
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Old 22nd May 2010, 08:28
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I was one of the first crew to join Cabin Crew '89 when it broke away from Bassa. The history of which I explained in a previous post. Those of us who survive are now in Amicus/Unite.

Leaving aside my strong reservations about being represented by a council instead of a union, the biggest problems for a new organisation are finance and influence.

You need a lot of money, (CC 89 borrowed from Balpa) and a strong organisation ie vary large numbers both in your 'union/council' and backing in other areas. Without this BA at any reasonable level of management will sideline you as largely irrelevant.

It is virtually impossible to go it alone.

Amicus is not gone, it is having to keep a united front. I am suggesting that now is the time for their reps to speak up.

I am pleased that you views coincide with mine but is WW listening. How many members do you have?
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Old 22nd May 2010, 08:41
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I believe Mr Holley is still an employee of BA, by virtue that his disciplinary is in the appeal stage.

And you never know - BASSA are quite good on appeals!
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