British Airways vs. BASSA (Airline Staff Only)
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Juan,
The Amicus reps themselves have indicated that they have not been happy with the way things have progressed so I'm afraid BASSA it is.
In answer to your second question, Yes, I do.
And many crew that have registered with us since Friday have all started their emails with "A friend has told me about PCCC". So, although it started off on this forum, the Professional Cabin Crew Council is now spreading rapidly. Which is exactly the way it was intended to work.
The Amicus reps themselves have indicated that they have not been happy with the way things have progressed so I'm afraid BASSA it is.
In answer to your second question, Yes, I do.
And many crew that have registered with us since Friday have all started their emails with "A friend has told me about PCCC". So, although it started off on this forum, the Professional Cabin Crew Council is now spreading rapidly. Which is exactly the way it was intended to work.
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Well sorry to disappoint you HF14 but it was only yesterday that I had a lengthy conversation with an Amicus rep who was more than happy at what was occurring.
Re PCCC - how many have actually joined then?
The removal of staff travel will only strengthen the resolve of CC - its just more bullying and as for our striking commuters who were interviewed/recruited overseas, I can only see this a form of constructive dismissal and I;m sure many in the legal profession would agree.
Re PCCC - how many have actually joined then?
The removal of staff travel will only strengthen the resolve of CC - its just more bullying and as for our striking commuters who were interviewed/recruited overseas, I can only see this a form of constructive dismissal and I;m sure many in the legal profession would agree.
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its not Bassa, its UNITE
Crew pay membership monies to BASSA, not UNITE.
Happy to be corrected.
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2nd Wave Waverers
To all those that operated over the first wave of strikes and feel bad about it / wrong decision maybe think carefully about next weekend and the second longer wave. You know within yourself your choices for the future - could you survive on Newfleet? How will you feel in the fiture when we are all flying together again?
Come to BFC and join your many comrades for support and information (along with many donuts and samosas!) and your mind will soon be put to rest you will be greeted with open arms...children and dogs welcome as well.
Come to BFC and join your many comrades for support and information (along with many donuts and samosas!) and your mind will soon be put to rest you will be greeted with open arms...children and dogs welcome as well.
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6MHC if you think that Willy would have ever come to any agreement over these past talks then I'm sorry to say you are wrong. By continually changing the goalposts when each time UNITE has got near to achieving savings along with various reasons of late for withdrawing 'offers' its as plain as the nose on your face he is not wanting agreement - he is only set on breaking our union representation.
Hope you are now happy having been corrected.
Hope you are now happy having been corrected.
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Correct Dumbreck, its not constructive dismissal. Loss of non-contractual benefits is not related to terminating a contract of employment through underhand methods.
So Juan I doubt if anyone in the legal profession would agree.
As for staff travel and commuting, staff travel is not provided as a means for you to get to work, that is your own problem. If one chooses to use staff travel to get to work, thats their decision.
Staff travel is a perk, not a right.
So Juan I doubt if anyone in the legal profession would agree.
As for staff travel and commuting, staff travel is not provided as a means for you to get to work, that is your own problem. If one chooses to use staff travel to get to work, thats their decision.
Staff travel is a perk, not a right.
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I think the company may have missed a trick here.
My gut feeling is that there are lots of crew who chose to strike in phase I who now see the writing on the wall and may have regretted taking IA.
Now, if the above posts are correct and the Staff Travel e-mails are filling up in-boxes as we speak is there not an opportunity to try and really put this to bed once and for all and give people a second chance.
I think a lot of crew have been swept up in all of this and with the benefit of hindsight may think differently now as most of them just want to get on with the job and put this behind them.
Personally a yellow card for all the strikers but an opportunity to stay on the park would be an option for me.
I'm sure if the company put in place a process for those concerned this could result in a moral victory for BA fairly quickly.
Thoughts anyone?
My gut feeling is that there are lots of crew who chose to strike in phase I who now see the writing on the wall and may have regretted taking IA.
Now, if the above posts are correct and the Staff Travel e-mails are filling up in-boxes as we speak is there not an opportunity to try and really put this to bed once and for all and give people a second chance.
I think a lot of crew have been swept up in all of this and with the benefit of hindsight may think differently now as most of them just want to get on with the job and put this behind them.
Personally a yellow card for all the strikers but an opportunity to stay on the park would be an option for me.
I'm sure if the company put in place a process for those concerned this could result in a moral victory for BA fairly quickly.
Thoughts anyone?
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Juan, please explain why anyone, having had the courage and common sense to cross the picket line last weekend, would even consider now throwing that all away this weekend?
The ST letters have, allegedly, gone out today. So they won't want to risk that.
The atmosphere at CRC and JBH was brilliant. People have expressed that it was liberating not to have the Union there overshadowing everything. And there was a wealth of support and gratitude from BA management, pilots, other departments, and most importantly customers for us being there.
In exchange for a doughnut in the rain? No thanks, mate.
The ST letters have, allegedly, gone out today. So they won't want to risk that.
The atmosphere at CRC and JBH was brilliant. People have expressed that it was liberating not to have the Union there overshadowing everything. And there was a wealth of support and gratitude from BA management, pilots, other departments, and most importantly customers for us being there.
In exchange for a doughnut in the rain? No thanks, mate.
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All I hear is how theres been a great air of solidarity and support at Bedfont Football Club, on the picket lines, etc.
Just the same on BA premises actually. Just in higher numbers! Then theres further support from our non-flying colleagues and our customers.
The difference is, the non-strikers don't need to shout about it to convince the undecided to join in.
I'd rather have a job (and my staff travel in tact) than a free donut, thanks.
Just the same on BA premises actually. Just in higher numbers! Then theres further support from our non-flying colleagues and our customers.
The difference is, the non-strikers don't need to shout about it to convince the undecided to join in.
I'd rather have a job (and my staff travel in tact) than a free donut, thanks.
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Originally Posted by Juan Odeboyse
By continually changing the goalposts
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I've witnessed strong feelings towards both avenues of thought re strike from my FD colleagues. However the worst venom I heard was re the volunteering FD to work thru the strike, This is going to take years to get over, especially within a small community. How sad.
And, if anyone was in any doubt as to the level of delusion in the BASSA hordes, I offer you this from another place:
may I suggest BASSA/Unite to strike for 12 days, solid, from April 14th.
Let's just ground this airline forever. (in case you management are reading). There's NOTHING left we can lose out of this.
It'll be THE END for all.
Then let's see who gets back into employment faster between flexible cabin crew or a latte brigade good for nothing
Let's just ground this airline forever. (in case you management are reading). There's NOTHING left we can lose out of this.
It'll be THE END for all.
Then let's see who gets back into employment faster between flexible cabin crew or a latte brigade good for nothing
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the crux of the problem?
BASSA were told, as were all unions, to agree changes
BASSA were told if it happened the costs would need to come from their budget.
Once again they were told
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Just run the missive from The Masked Goatrider through the Microsoft "ballcocks" checker. Yes, I know...I didn't think it existed either!!!
Anyway ...this is what came out.
Crew who have, are and will operate throughout these periods can hold their heads high. A large portion of the membership are fighting to destroy jobs and maximise the depth of the their colleagues pay cuts so they can destroy employment opportunities into the future not only for themselves but for the crews of the future.
The members who have respected the democratic decision to make this stand also have lavish lifestyles to finance and are making this stand for the benefit of all senior CSDs and pursers. To break rank and assist the airline and its underpaid staff only prolongs the process. The tag of a strike breaker is one you will wear for the rest of your lives and take in to your grave. The dirty looks on flights and comments at social functions (Ascot, Wimbledon etc)will continue forever for those stupid enough to have followed the BASSA line.
By the way. I'm one of those overpaid managers that you referred to. thanks to your actions I'll be forgoing a pay rise this year as well as last. I also took a weeks unpaid in the summer. What have you given?
Anyway ...this is what came out.
Crew who have, are and will operate throughout these periods can hold their heads high. A large portion of the membership are fighting to destroy jobs and maximise the depth of the their colleagues pay cuts so they can destroy employment opportunities into the future not only for themselves but for the crews of the future.
The members who have respected the democratic decision to make this stand also have lavish lifestyles to finance and are making this stand for the benefit of all senior CSDs and pursers. To break rank and assist the airline and its underpaid staff only prolongs the process. The tag of a strike breaker is one you will wear for the rest of your lives and take in to your grave. The dirty looks on flights and comments at social functions (Ascot, Wimbledon etc)will continue forever for those stupid enough to have followed the BASSA line.
By the way. I'm one of those overpaid managers that you referred to. thanks to your actions I'll be forgoing a pay rise this year as well as last. I also took a weeks unpaid in the summer. What have you given?
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In my view, our company's intention is to protect our T & C's and pay. They have repeatedly said this and demonstrated it in the offers made to your union.
Our company has repeatedly said no one has to move to new fleet and they will even protect variable elements of pay with the monthly payment. (Repeated today).
Questions for you.
You mention withdrawing offers
What were the circumstances around the very reasonable offer being withdrawn by our company on 12th March?
What is your unions proposal with my basic pay this year?
What is the precise reason for your union calling a strike?
My view in response to previous posts, not representative of my employer or anyone else.
Our company has repeatedly said no one has to move to new fleet and they will even protect variable elements of pay with the monthly payment. (Repeated today).
Questions for you.
You mention withdrawing offers
What were the circumstances around the very reasonable offer being withdrawn by our company on 12th March?
What is your unions proposal with my basic pay this year?
What is the precise reason for your union calling a strike?
My view in response to previous posts, not representative of my employer or anyone else.
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How will you feel in the fiture when we are all flying together again?
I was chatting to one of the flight ops managers about this very issue and his thought was that CRM starts with a sense of professionalism. If you don't have that then you can't even start the operation and anyone who is unable to participate professionally (which in his mind most certainly meant leaving any "strike issues" at home) is likely to find themselves offloaded from the flight.
So I doubt it'll be a problem.
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sixmilehighclub wrote:
My understanding is that BASSA gets £6 out of every £15 paid to Unite.
Unite wouldnt be involved if BASSA had succesfully negotiated in the beginning.
Crew pay membership monies to BASSA, not UNITE.
Crew pay membership monies to BASSA, not UNITE.
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Juan O
Yes, why don't people head down to the BFC this weekend?
And join the 1.6% of crew who were there also - that's 200 divided by 12000 cabin crew.
Unite probably included the buggies .............
Yes, why don't people head down to the BFC this weekend?
And join the 1.6% of crew who were there also - that's 200 divided by 12000 cabin crew.
Unite probably included the buggies .............
