How dare they want "sole control" of the operation!!!!
Jeez, next the company will want to decide what routes they fly and what aircraft to buy..... without any consultaion with the unions.. Outrageous!
Imagine trying to run an operation without having to consult anyone on how best to react..... Simple, Efficient, putting the customer first, Utopia! What a dream that would be!
Apologies for being flipant, but I feel if I'm not laughing, I'd be crying.....
(Apologies for any tpyos or speelliing mistakes.. my fat fingers play havoc on a keyboard!!!)
BA refused BASSA's proposal even though it's a carbon copy of the BALPA proposal.
Erm. No, it wasn't.
They failed to include the singular payment replacing the 'bonus/additional' payments that the pilots have been working to for the past 5 years. The 20% cut in those payments. The disruption agreements. The increase in hours for a 2.61% pay cut etc. etc. etc.
Put the WHOLE truth out BASSA not just the bits that will get the most emotive results.
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85% have said NO to BA's proposal.
Not so sure it will be a 'proposal' for much longer, more a fixture.
They failed to include the singular payment replacing the 'bonus/additional' payments that the pilots have been working to for the past 5 years. The 20% cut in those payments. The disruption agreements. The increase in hours for a 2.61% pay cut etc. etc. etc.
Put the WHOLE truth out BASSA not just the bits that will get the most emotive results.
Not my own words. This is what being said at the meeting.
Sorry, didn't mean it like that, realise it was from the meeting, I was just pointing out BASSA's spin machine was in full cycle and about to crash out of it's gimbals.
Sorry, w2p. I realised you didn't mean it that way!
ST holding a speech saying that BA isn't interested, managers are incompetent and don't know what they want or how the company should be. The company is also attacking corporate levels of agreements and employment procedures agreements as well using ACAS as a way forward.
- Can BA sack us is we strike? No for 12 weeks. After that re-ballot.
- Can we work to the rule? Don't do it until ballot is produced.
- 90 days letter? Where do we stand? A contract can be changed in 2 days: if we agree or they divide and conquer. BA is trying to break unity. BASSA also says NOT to sign the contract.
Ironic isn't it that the unions that have failed to move in any way shape or form from their almost original 1970's agreements have the audacity to blame EVERY OTHER DEPARTMENT IN THE COMPANY for the problems the company faces.
They have a total inability to face the facts that they also need to align themselves with the real world and get their own house in order.
They have managed to keep themselves so closed up in their ivory towers that the crash from this adjustment is going to really hurt. Still they continue to spin away believing it is their given right to continue in such a fashion.
They have failed their membership by bringing it to such a catastrophic position and causing such a painful adjustment.
However, don't forget, it is all down to everybody else being mean and nasty.
Can BA sack us is we strike? No for 12 weeks. After that re-ballot.
Yes they can. See previous posts. Do you want the industrial tribunal gamble. Legal or illegal strike, if you don't turn up to work then they can dismiss you.
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Can we work to the rule? Don't do it until ballot is produced.
Yep, BUT, you need to be sure, absolutely sure, of those industrial rules because if you step one millimetre over the line then BA will sack you.
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90 days letter? Where do we stand? A contract can be changed in 2 days: if we agree or they divide and conquer. BA is trying to break unity. BASSA also says NOT to sign the contract.
The company employs you. If they no longer wish to employ you they are required to give you minimum contractual notification. I.e. 90 days.
BA is not a charity and can play with its train set in any way it pleases.
So it comes to this. Thousands of great staff led over the cliff's edge by a few hundred to a thousand or so militants who peer over the fence and demand the best bits of every other departments agreements, won't take anything if it's not put into the flight crew agreement too (why, we're in different jobs and we've been a lot more dynamic with the changes to our terms over the years), think they should tell the company how to run itself and, allegedly, would rather see the company buckle than take any material changes. We benchmarked ourselves with the company's agreement some 5 years ago so claiming that you won't take market rate +10% until the flight crew do (and it's crew, not deck, I don't call you cabin or galley) is so far behind the drag curve it's untrue. We've been there for ages. Ball's in your court.
That may be my little rant but it's the likes of Nutjob, Glamgirl etc (not to mention my wife) who are going to get slammed along the way by the BASSA willy-waving, and they, most assuredly, do not deserve to.
BASSA now says they can legally terminate contracts but wouldn't be able to run operations the next day. ST also says if BA imposes the letters UNITE will ballot.
A mass meeting of more than 2,000 British Airways workers has rejected the airline's plans to reduce costs by cutting jobs and freezing pay.
Staff said they were not prepared to accept an "assault" on their pay, terms and conditions.
Conciliation service Acas will chair a meeting between BA and unions on Wednesday to try to reach an agreement.
BA has been striving to cut costs in the recession. In May, the airline reported a record annual loss of £401m.
The airline had set a deadline of 30 June to reach a deal on about 3,500 job cuts, a pay freeze and other changes, but no agreement was made.
At the meeting, workers rejected BA's proposals and instead backed a union plan, which officials said could save between £100m and £130m.
Cutting costs
The union Unite said it was prepared to consider a two-year freeze on pay.
Unite claimed BA wanted to introduce a new "starter rate" of £11,000, but said this would lead to a two-tier workforce.
Last month, BA said 800 workers had volunteered to work for nothing for up to a month.
The airline had written to its 40,000 staff in the UK, asking for volunteers to work for nothing to help make savings.
BA chief Willie Walsh has already agreed to work unpaid in July, forgoing his month's salary of £61,000
Well, off we trot into another summer of discontent. I hope the other 12000 members of BASSA who probably want to keep their jobs agree with this decision?
Although I guess it's only a matter of time, now that bassa is freshly enfranchised to totally reject the BA propasals, push for their own to be accepted by BA and to give no further concessions to the company.
Is it me, or does that make the upcoming ACAS meeting a little pointless? Surely the whole idea of ACAS is for both parties to make "concessions"?
Imposition here we come.
Not sure if 6 people apparently wanting no change at all is a positive or a negative.
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