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Old 18th Mar 2015, 20:42
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Sloppy and careless Cabin Crew.... read on

I'm surprised at this. Surely there would have been warning lights illuminated in the Flight Deck?

Air China staff blasted over 'unlocked' door as plane takes off | World | News | Daily Express

The picture deos actually show the door handle in the 'open' position during flight.
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 20:49
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Quite how these "Safety Experts" managed to get all the relevant facts to come to their well considered conclusion is beyond me. Or there again, maybe these muppets just went to the pub, had a few beers and made something up. A bit like your average tabloid journalist.
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 20:56
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That handle hadn't been properly re-stowed from outside. Cabin crew close dorrs from inside. Sloppy and careless ground staff.
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 21:31
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This has been happening on B737 doors for decades, l have seen it way back on B737-200.
It has no bearing on safety as the exterior handle has become disconnected to internal mechanism.
In this position, all it will do is maybe add a minor increase in fuel burn, if the handle is in the airflow.
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 21:39
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It's not unknown for the external handle to migrate, or not be seated properly when the door is closed. Should be picked up by the ground crew if it doesn't seat correctly but it's not even a small deal.

The door isn't unlocked and it won't open unless the internal lever is moved. In fact you could spin that handle around freely forever and nothing will happen, except boredom.
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 21:50
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The door is shut correctly, the locks engaged, it's just the handle not stowed correctly. It'll jut make a little wind noise. It wouldn't even dent the fuel burn. Sloppy and careless journalism, I'd say...

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Old 18th Mar 2015, 22:16
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A slow news day for this so called newspaper, however it just shows how poor they are at investigating a story, the only sloppy behaviour here is from the reporters.
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The door is **** correctly,
Sloppy work by Boeing workers ?
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 22:29
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Another "it wouldn't have happened my day, harrumph!" post.
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 22:51
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Interesting tidbit from the same article:

Earlier this week, passenger Dong She was jailed for ten days after opening an airplane door.

Mr She, 42, had claimed he had been holding the handrail tight when it unexpectedly moved, opening the door on the Urumqi Airlines flight from Xinjiang to Henan in China just as it was about to start off down the runway.

If it was about to start off down the runway surely Mr She should have been seated, with his seat belt securely fastened!
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Old 18th Mar 2015, 23:15
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opening an airplane door.
Urumqi Airlines passenger opens plane's emergency exit moments before take-off | Daily Mail Online

It appears to have been an overwing exit. So the poor guy was probably seated and belted in. And look! There's a convenient handle to grab hold of during takeoff.
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Old 19th Mar 2015, 00:19
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I knew someone that opened the door of a 707 in flight. Not much, just enough to close it properly. It was "screaming" due to airflow noise, visible daylight in the frame too. Cabin crew sat next to it for departure and just let it all happen....Climbing through FL150 before they eventually thought they should tell the flightdeck.
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A quick look at the physics will tell you that no one is going to move a door in flight if that aircraft is pressurised, so presumably to move this door in flight the cabin was depressurised ?

Knowing the forces imposed on a door, if I had a semi open door on a semi pressurised aircraft the only place I would go would be back on the ground with as little pressure in the cabin as I could have.

Any door that has not closed properly and has had a even a part pressurisation cycle needs to be looked at very carefully by your maintenance team.
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Old 19th Mar 2015, 09:07
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In the early 1980s I was flying from Dubai to Bahrain on a Gulf Air B737. We boarded the aircraft via steps to the rear door. Because of the way the door opened outward, we had a great view of the inside of the door while climbing the steps and it was a bit surprising to see a couple of huge arrows "painted" on the door in bright green chinagraph marker. The arrows pointed at the top and bottom left corners of the door and I couldn't help wondering if this had been done to help the crew when closing.
Sure enough, when closing the door, 2 crew pulled and pushed in the corners to get the door closed. I spent the time to Bahrain wondering if this all meant the door was twisted or the airframe!
The funniest door incident I saw was on an RAF Argosy in 1967. On our route from Aden to Francistown, we had stopped at RAF Eastleigh. Prior to take off, someone came down the ladder from the front office and tried to get the rear left door closed. Having had one go, he returned back up his ladder, then reappeared for another go at the door. Back to the flight deck and once more back down to the door for at least three visits to the door.
We were guessing that there may have been in indication on the flight deck that the door was not closing properly. After the 3rd attempt, this bloke must have thought "sod it" and off we went. After a few minutes climbing out, the door made a loud whooshing sound, swung inwards for about a foot, then slammed itself shut. Job jobbed!
There were more than a few wide eyes and raised eyebrows from the half a dozen passengers who actually had seats, a collection of brass, including an Air Vice Marshall. They were sat a lot closer to the offending door than us oiks perched on poles along the length of the fuselage.
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I was cabin crew once on an MD80 from KITH to KELM - a 20min hop where we weren't even to go above FL100. Well we got catered in KITH through the 2L door, and catering didn't close it properly. Apparently a sealing strip was folded under the door? Well on climb out I got a call from the crew member at 2L 'Michael - this door's making a hell of a row!' When we leveled off I went back there, and sure enough this thing was howling, and it was cold!

I went on to the flight deck (this was pre 9/11 when we too were allowed into the hallowed inner sanctum for reasons other than "flying the plane while the pilot takes a poo" ) and they were both looking up at this gauge wondering why they couldn't pressurize the cabin.

Needless to say, it was such a short flight we just carried on, landed safely at KELM, and closed 2L properly!
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Pah! Pressurisation, door seals, what's all this claptrap. More things to go wrong.

In the good 'ole days of the DC3 flying Gulf Aviation's (OK Gulf Air's) local routes, on several occasions the nearest passenger opened the emergency exit window in flight to get some cooler air.

It dropped down on its bottom hinge, and could be recovered pulling a piece of wire, which the steward did, once there were stewards. Before then it was the FO's job, but only after the crew finally noticed that the draught in the front was even stronger than usual.

JB here we come...........
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Old 19th Mar 2015, 12:57
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Slight thread drift but there is a nice Boeing training video about not properly closed cockpit windows suddenly opening in takeoff (and what to do about it):
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQZzTPd1HJw
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Anyone worried about an unlocked door in a pressurised airframe,i suggest a try,to open it. Would need a long arm to twist it. We had many times,an Attendant telling about "howling doors". Press diff usually handles the problem at around fl150 or soon later,when climbing. Sometimes we used wet tissue,just to get rid of the whine. Old hands in the cabin,know the tricks. Saudia 1011 was a sad example of,how difficult it is to open the doors from inside.
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Old 19th Mar 2015, 17:04
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I seem to recall that, in days of Yore, a howling door or DV window was cured by letting some clingfilm get sucked into the gap. Never failed!
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Old 19th Mar 2015, 23:00
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a howling door or DV window was cured by letting some clingfilm get sucked into the gap
Or 1-11 captains.

Caution: secure feet before use



(Yes, I know it wasn't a DV window)
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