BASSA aren't negotiating anything! The company is willing to discuss new fleet and new contract, hardly a surprise there, but BASSA are saying that they can't negotiate anything unless the subject of redundancy is discussed first. BASSA do not run the company, they do not lead and demand in negotiations and they do nothing for their membership.
How odd, that BASSA initially refused to discuss 'anything' as the state of the company was one big ruse, then the company files paperwork to make 2000 jobs (not people, jobs) redundant and BASSA can't discuss anything else apart from this 'grave threat'?
What part of the word 'imposition' don't BASSA understand?
Discuss it now, reach an agreement which benefits your membership and then stick to it. The consequences of doing nothing could be far worse.
FWIW I think I know who GG is and used to work with her at Gatwick - she is indeed crew if I am right - difference of opinion to yours does not mean she has to be management.......
(edited to add as I remember there were many crew at LGW who share her opinions).
SP/delta - I don't want to see you guys/gals drastically worse off but I don't see the issue with working harder or smarter to protect the things you currently have while maybe shedding those things (such as the 2 night rest after diversion) which really aren't protecting you from anything so much as causing costs/disruption to the paying customer to rise.
As for New Fleet it was inevitable that something like this would come along one day and I fear there is little you will be able to do about it apart from coming to some legal understanding with the company about how it will affect the old fleets. That however will require an open and honest engagement with the IR team and Unite.
Oh dear Carnage, not such a good idea after all to work for free. Read this and then put your head back in the sand., fingers over your ears and go La La La La La La La
Deltaguy, if you have issues with me and my posts, please pm me. You may or may not believe my position in the company, which for clarity is purser at LGW, but that's your perogative I suppose.
Gg
Edited to say the same goes to SP.
Matt101, I don't believe I've flown with you, but if you care to pm me as well, we can figure that one out easily
Unfortunately BASSA and some crew have been very naive since SFG was introduced. Didn't they think for a second it would come to LHR if it was successful at Gatters?
I would love to keep our terms and conditions but due to the current circumstances I will accept a change and at least have a job to go to.
I should point out that I now live in Dublin, so my SH choice is Aer Lingus or Ryanair. I agree that Ryanair aren't cheaper. They've forced everyone else to lower fares, which is good, but personally I think Ryanair has passed its usefullness now. I go to some lengths to avoid them, eg when I go to Aberdeen I now fly with Aer Lingus to Edinburgh and hire a car! Bit more expensive but also less unpleasant.
I'm not that fussed about getting fed and watered on short haul. I can use the lounge with Aer Lingus, so get something to eat and drink there before I get on the plane. Not as good as the BA lounges, I have to admit. I remember getting bacon sarnies and champagne in there with some fondness!
I hear what you're saying re T5. The problem for me is that I have to transit from T1 Domestic gates 80-90, which is a nightmare. Last time I did it (to T4 - pre T5) it took longer to get between terminals than it did to fly from Dublin. If I'd booked the DUB-LHR connection suggested by the BA web site I'd have missed my flight to Mumbai. Fortunately I ignored the BA suggestion, and booked an earlier DUB-LHR flight. Good decision considering I had to get the Tube to Hatton Cross and then one back to T4 in order to get between the terminals. Result? I decided to try transiting Schipol next time I flew East, and have not had a problem since.
T5 may well be great, but I've now had three years of acceptable experience away from LHR, so feel no inclination to go back to the kip that is Heathrow! This is indicative of the problem BA has, I think. It has alienated passengers over several years and now we don't see a good reason to risk using them again. My own catalogue of horrors comprises 4x lost luggage (3 on successive trips between LHR and Scotland in my pre-Ireland days), the aforementioned nightmare T1-T4 transfer, and a 12+ hour flight back from Tokyo with no catering, courtesy of one of BA's many industrial disputes. That last one was on a £4k CW ticket incidentally. It's not exactly indicative of great customer service is it?
No Andy. Quite clearly the CEO of British Airways is a laughing stock as far as those entrepreneurs are concerned.
He has been called "idiotic" by Stephen Archer. "This move reeks of panic" he adds.
Stephen Bentley also agrees that Walsh has made "an idiotic move"
Brett Raynes MD of Backup says: "Before BA takes these drastic steps, it may be easier for the company to look at efficiency improvements first – and that’s not a euphemism for job cuts,”
David Readman a personnel professional states this has :“all been done from the hip and will cause enormous loss of trust in Willie Walsh and his position as head of one of Britain’s biggest enterprises.”
BASSA have certainly got their work cut out dealing with a CEO and management who are so publicly ridiculed for their ineptness.
Now this Charlie Mullins knows a thing or two about running a business:
When is Walsh going to launch a Rights Issue to raise money for the downturn? It should not all be down to the staff when the shareholders potentially have so much to gain.
BASSA have had the lowdown on the company financial details for a couple of weeks now..........when are they going to let you and me know how things are?
"Brett Raynes MD of Backup says: "Before BA takes these drastic steps, it may be easier for the company to look at efficiency improvements first – and that’s not a euphemism for job cuts,” "
That is what the company has been trying to do, but Bassa is refusing to negotiate on an adult level...
GG. Where BASSA and BA disagree is over the Single Fleet and the prospect of new recruits as other crew are made redundant.
BASSA are not refusing to negotiate. Why would you as a Psr at LGW, have access to information where you can comment on whether the discussions are adult or not?
SP and GG, lets face it, we are getting no information...........well other than the update date 14 June........which was basic vitriole without any real information..........again!!
Andy in negotiations when there is so much at stake, you will not hear much about what is going on as the whole situation is so delicate and potentially volatile.
It is nothing to do with holding back information from the membership. It is par for the course. Sit tight.
Can you honestly say you've ever heard of any of the "business leaders" quoted? The only one I know of is the one who started it all off: Mullins of Pimlico Plumbers. His company is a bit like BA: expensive. You'll find as many recent complaints about PP on blagger.com as you've managed to find via google saying how bad WW is. If this is the limit of "business leader" criticism of WW, then he must be doing an even better job than I thought.
Lizanne has had the BALPA document for days, yet the full extent hasnt been given to us. We are led along to believe that it is a 'sweetheardt' deal.
BASSA has seen the figures, but still wastes time lambasting Walsh, fines, and fuel hedging.
Lets just suppose they pull a rabbit out of a hat, and can get a deal which allows 2000 Voluntary Redundancies but also involves salary cuts and changes to working practices, but required an acceptance that the company is in the poo.............surely there is no way that they could manage to change the thinking of us members.................because up until now, they have only effectively managed to do name calling.
SP - you're posts are starting to sound as erratic as the behaviour you think Willie Walsh is displaying!!! Anyway who are these nobodys in your linked page? I've never heard of any of them! Not exactly captains of industry are they? I'm sure WW will be devastated that the head of Pimlico Plumbers has had a pop at him. You're really plumbing the depths now!
JP - no I don't work in BA marketing!! But I have had plenty of exposure to the popular myths regarding BAs performance at LHR and so tend to have the facts readily to mind! I recognise that if you're flying from Dublin then a transfer at T5 isn't going to be efficient for you and the whole T1-T4 transfer situation was never great for anyone, I know that from personal experience. All I can say is that it's a lot better now than it used to be and if you happen to be going through T5 for whatever reason you might be pleasantly surprised. You can even take the HEX free of charge between T1 and T5 if you don't fancy waiting for a bus!
(PS It's probably of little consequence so far down the road but the lack of catering was a Gate Gourmet dispute, not a BA one. Unfortunately any airline could be affected in the same way if a key supplier suddenly stops working.)
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