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AIRC hands down Australian Flight Attendants Award
http://www.airc.gov.au/awardmod/awards/cabin_crew.pdf
If you want to see what the Australian Government and the Australian Industrial Relations Commission thinks if the appropriate Award for Domestic and INternational FLight Attendants ....follow the above link
If you want to see what the Australian Government and the Australian Industrial Relations Commission thinks if the appropriate Award for Domestic and INternational FLight Attendants ....follow the above link
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insincere thanks to Julia & Co - whose poorly advised statements together with the government's obession with letting anyone operate in Australian skies using third world standards has excavated a huge pothole just beyond the current EBAs.
Not a good outcome unless you're a shop, party & shag Y-gen living at home with Mum, or someone from a nearby Asian or Pacific struggling economy living off on-board crew meals.
For professional Australian cabin crew (and pilots for that matter) it all adds up to seniority in the centrelink queues and swapping pprune for seek.com.
Gotta love the very imprecise specifications in some of the clauses - as if the likes of DJ, QF and others need help in manipulating the legislative regime to screw employees. Certainly the job of the unions just got harder.
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Not a good outcome unless you're a shop, party & shag Y-gen living at home with Mum, or someone from a nearby Asian or Pacific struggling economy living off on-board crew meals.
For professional Australian cabin crew (and pilots for that matter) it all adds up to seniority in the centrelink queues and swapping pprune for seek.com.
Gotta love the very imprecise specifications in some of the clauses - as if the likes of DJ, QF and others need help in manipulating the legislative regime to screw employees. Certainly the job of the unions just got harder.
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Jelly Shots, are you a union member?
If so you should have received the newsletter entitled Award Modernisation issued July 1 2009.
It should answer your question.
Link to FAAA website
If so you should have received the newsletter entitled Award Modernisation issued July 1 2009.
It should answer your question.
Link to FAAA website
The pilot award can't be that far away either??
http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-a...-released.html
Relevant link here:
http://www.airc.gov.au/awardmod/awards/pilots.pdf
An interesting excerpt VERY RELEVANT to
Airline and RPT issues in Australia
A.1.2 Larger aircraft classifications and minimum salaries
Pilots employed on larger aircraft will be paid the following minimum annual salary:
Classification Minimum salary per annum
$
Captain First Officer Second Officer
Fokker 28 94,167 61,962
CRJ-50 94,167 61,962
BAe-146 102,054 66,933
Fokker 100B 102,054 66,933
Boeing 717 102,054 66,933
Narrow body aircraft 107,056 70,045
Wide body aircraft–single deck 123,114 80,551 48,331
Wide body aircraft–double deck 139,172 91,058 54,634
Pilots employed on larger aircraft will be paid the following minimum annual salary:
Classification Minimum salary per annum
$
Captain First Officer Second Officer
Fokker 28 94,167 61,962
CRJ-50 94,167 61,962
BAe-146 102,054 66,933
Fokker 100B 102,054 66,933
Boeing 717 102,054 66,933
Narrow body aircraft 107,056 70,045
Wide body aircraft–single deck 123,114 80,551 48,331
Wide body aircraft–double deck 139,172 91,058 54,634
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What is even more incongruous CaptCloudbuster is that this thread was initially posted in the Cabin Crew area and moved by a mod to the D&G section only to be moved back to the cabin Crew area.
There was no fighting or arguing but instead comments regarding this new development in aircrew awards.
The mods might be able to explain this but I agree this does deserve to be in the D&G section as it is very pertinent to aircrew in our region.
There was no fighting or arguing but instead comments regarding this new development in aircrew awards.
The mods might be able to explain this but I agree this does deserve to be in the D&G section as it is very pertinent to aircrew in our region.
I wouldn't be too worried about the pilot award there are alot of 'gotchas' in the award for employers.
Overseas allowances, Night allowances, phone allowances, transport allowance, base transfers, not to mention flight and duty times etc.
You will find that awards work well for 9-5 jobs but when it comes to shift work the penalties start to stack up.
Overseas allowances, Night allowances, phone allowances, transport allowance, base transfers, not to mention flight and duty times etc.
You will find that awards work well for 9-5 jobs but when it comes to shift work the penalties start to stack up.
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Good News For 65 Year Olds
Ever been on an American Carrier?
Ever noticed the age of the Crew?
Mainly woman who had retired from the workforce and found a new life as flight attendants.
Poorly paid with poor conditions but with the carrot of international shopping and time away from hubby.
A retired elderly womans idea of paradise
The standard of service offered?
Well thats a matter for yourself
With the decision just handed down the new face of Qantas circa 2014 will be your mothers
Ever noticed the age of the Crew?
Mainly woman who had retired from the workforce and found a new life as flight attendants.
Poorly paid with poor conditions but with the carrot of international shopping and time away from hubby.
A retired elderly womans idea of paradise
The standard of service offered?
Well thats a matter for yourself
With the decision just handed down the new face of Qantas circa 2014 will be your mothers
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Most American crew that I have come across who are in their 60s are basically flying because it has taken them decades to get senior enough to fly the favourable routes. They haven't joined late in life but have been flying for YEARS. They are also on very poor pension schemes which basically means that many can't afford to retire.
Junior routes will carry younger crew but bear in mind that there has been virtually none (or very little) recruitment in the US majors since 9/11. There hasn't been a chance to recruit any new blood.
Junior routes will carry younger crew but bear in mind that there has been virtually none (or very little) recruitment in the US majors since 9/11. There hasn't been a chance to recruit any new blood.
Who wrote that? Mr. Squiggle?
If I go to work at 5pm on a friday, do a 24hour disrupted duty getting into god knows where at 5pm saturday, come 10am Sunday I could be back at work signing on to do it all again? To top it off, they can throw in a uniform fitting or some training on the front or end of the duty.
Hey why not have coin operated crew jump seats (harness extra), and rent out the PA system for $30 to drunk japanese passengers' karaoke renditions of fry me toora moon.
What a joke. All for a lucrative base salary of $437 a week in the hand.
Is it possible to protest - or is this set in stone?
If I go to work at 5pm on a friday, do a 24hour disrupted duty getting into god knows where at 5pm saturday, come 10am Sunday I could be back at work signing on to do it all again? To top it off, they can throw in a uniform fitting or some training on the front or end of the duty.
Hey why not have coin operated crew jump seats (harness extra), and rent out the PA system for $30 to drunk japanese passengers' karaoke renditions of fry me toora moon.
What a joke. All for a lucrative base salary of $437 a week in the hand.
Is it possible to protest - or is this set in stone?
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If you have a strong union with good membership participation rates, then you have got a chance to do better. If you have no union then you can stick a fork in yourself...YOU ARE DONE!!
As far as crew that have an EBA are concerned, the relevant union will continue to negotiate the continuance of the EBA conditions and the "AWARD" if you can call it that, then becomes the "safety net" or minimum conditions.
The Danger is of course if you have incompetent officials negotiating your EBA you are on the edge of the cliff and you can see the "safety net" below waiting to catch you.
As far as LH Qantas crew are concerned, thank god for EBA8, it runs until 2012 and preserves everything that is important until then
As far as crew that have an EBA are concerned, the relevant union will continue to negotiate the continuance of the EBA conditions and the "AWARD" if you can call it that, then becomes the "safety net" or minimum conditions.
The Danger is of course if you have incompetent officials negotiating your EBA you are on the edge of the cliff and you can see the "safety net" below waiting to catch you.
As far as LH Qantas crew are concerned, thank god for EBA8, it runs until 2012 and preserves everything that is important until then
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7 September 2009
Attention All FAAA Members
AIRC DELIVERS AIRCRAFT CABIN CREW AWARD 2010
-A COMPLETE OUTRAGE-
On 1 July 2009, the FAAA issued a comprehensive newsletter to our members about the “Award Modernisation” process that is being conducted by the Australian Industrial Relations Commission (AIRC).
Last Friday, the AIRC delivered a batch of “modern awards” covering a range of industries including our occupation. Our new award is called the “Aircraft Cabin Crew Award 2010”.
Our members can peruse this document by following this link:
http://www.airc.gov.au/awardmod/awards/cabin_crew.pdf
This new award shreds decades of hard work by the FAAA, its predecessor unions and its membership. Just a few examples will demonstrate this point:-
Flight attendant salary $32489 pa compared to the existing $34479 for a QCCA flight attendant or $54,859 for a QAL flight attendant.
Cabin Crew Supervisor salary of $38,126 pa compared to the existing $56,650 for a QCCA CSS or $67,098 for a QAL CSS.
Cabin Crew Manager salary of $44,761 pa compared to the existing $72,100 for a QCCA CSM or $78,849 for a QAL CSM.
Ordinary hours of work are based on 1872 hours per year! Currently QAL crew are paid on the basis of 1188.21 hours per year and QCCA and Jetstar International crew are paid on the basis of 1560 hours per year!
The Qantas/QCCA EBA8 has extensive provisions about accommodation standards and requirements. The new award simply says “employees away from home base on duty will be provided with appropriate accommodation and transport between the airport and hotel”. Decoded this could mean shared accommodation in some 4th rate hotel, and we could kiss goodbye our current taxi transport entitlements.
The Qantas/QCCA EBA8 inserted the 1983 meal allowance formula based on the actual prices of meals at the first class hotels that we stay in. It also provides for an annual review of those meal allowances based on menu price movements. The new award simply says “employees must be provided with all meals. Meals must be of an appropriate standard. The employer must pay an allowance instead of arranging the provision of meals. Such allowance must be of an adequate standard and reflect community norms”. It is highly interesting to note that the AIRC hints at what these “community norms” may be in relation to its view of cabin crew, because the basis for adjustment to meal allowances, even overseas meal allowances, would be the CPI movement IN AUSTRALIA for the “take away and fast foods sub-group”!
The FAAA is appalled at what the AIRC has determined to be our safety net for the future. I will be talking to our barrister Mr Jim Nolan about any legal options available to the FAAA.
Similar appalling determinations have been made in relation to our other colleagues in the airline industry including ground staff and the pilots. I will be using an upcoming meeting of Qantas Group unions chaired by the ACTU to raise this matter, as I’m sure other unions will do.
Following discussion with Mr Nolan, I will also be sending a letter to the Deputy Prime Minister in her capacity as Minister for Workplace Relations, outlining our members’ dismay at this appalling decision by the AIRC and asking her to take remedial action.
To our membership I stress that EBA8 applies until 17 December 2012, providing the best conditions in the world for our QAL and QCCA members. To the non members, I say the Award clearly shows the conditions that would apply if it wasn’t for a union composed of a dedicated membership and led by a competent leadership.
It is time for those non members to reconsider their decision not to be members. It is simply not good enough to maintain some spurious philosophical objections to membership but hypocritically continue to receive the benefits that their colleagues, through the FAAA deliver.
The expiration of EBA8 was always going to be a very challenging time as we move to protect our conditions. The AIRC through its new Award has just made it even more challenging. The only two things that will protect our members from the conditions in the new Award after EBA8 expires are firstly, a highly unionised and cohesive membership and secondly elected officials who are competent.
I will keep you updated on this matter in due course.
Written and authorised by Michael Mijatov – Secretary International Division.
20 Ewan Street Mascot NSW 2020 Tel 61 2 8337 1111 Fax 61 2 8337 1122 Emergency Contact 0414 894 192www.faaa.net
7 September 2009
Attention All FAAA Members
AIRC DELIVERS AIRCRAFT CABIN CREW AWARD 2010
-A COMPLETE OUTRAGE-
On 1 July 2009, the FAAA issued a comprehensive newsletter to our members about the “Award Modernisation” process that is being conducted by the Australian Industrial Relations Commission (AIRC).
Last Friday, the AIRC delivered a batch of “modern awards” covering a range of industries including our occupation. Our new award is called the “Aircraft Cabin Crew Award 2010”.
Our members can peruse this document by following this link:
http://www.airc.gov.au/awardmod/awards/cabin_crew.pdf
This new award shreds decades of hard work by the FAAA, its predecessor unions and its membership. Just a few examples will demonstrate this point:-
Flight attendant salary $32489 pa compared to the existing $34479 for a QCCA flight attendant or $54,859 for a QAL flight attendant.
Cabin Crew Supervisor salary of $38,126 pa compared to the existing $56,650 for a QCCA CSS or $67,098 for a QAL CSS.
Cabin Crew Manager salary of $44,761 pa compared to the existing $72,100 for a QCCA CSM or $78,849 for a QAL CSM.
Ordinary hours of work are based on 1872 hours per year! Currently QAL crew are paid on the basis of 1188.21 hours per year and QCCA and Jetstar International crew are paid on the basis of 1560 hours per year!
The Qantas/QCCA EBA8 has extensive provisions about accommodation standards and requirements. The new award simply says “employees away from home base on duty will be provided with appropriate accommodation and transport between the airport and hotel”. Decoded this could mean shared accommodation in some 4th rate hotel, and we could kiss goodbye our current taxi transport entitlements.
The Qantas/QCCA EBA8 inserted the 1983 meal allowance formula based on the actual prices of meals at the first class hotels that we stay in. It also provides for an annual review of those meal allowances based on menu price movements. The new award simply says “employees must be provided with all meals. Meals must be of an appropriate standard. The employer must pay an allowance instead of arranging the provision of meals. Such allowance must be of an adequate standard and reflect community norms”. It is highly interesting to note that the AIRC hints at what these “community norms” may be in relation to its view of cabin crew, because the basis for adjustment to meal allowances, even overseas meal allowances, would be the CPI movement IN AUSTRALIA for the “take away and fast foods sub-group”!
The FAAA is appalled at what the AIRC has determined to be our safety net for the future. I will be talking to our barrister Mr Jim Nolan about any legal options available to the FAAA.
Similar appalling determinations have been made in relation to our other colleagues in the airline industry including ground staff and the pilots. I will be using an upcoming meeting of Qantas Group unions chaired by the ACTU to raise this matter, as I’m sure other unions will do.
Following discussion with Mr Nolan, I will also be sending a letter to the Deputy Prime Minister in her capacity as Minister for Workplace Relations, outlining our members’ dismay at this appalling decision by the AIRC and asking her to take remedial action.
To our membership I stress that EBA8 applies until 17 December 2012, providing the best conditions in the world for our QAL and QCCA members. To the non members, I say the Award clearly shows the conditions that would apply if it wasn’t for a union composed of a dedicated membership and led by a competent leadership.
It is time for those non members to reconsider their decision not to be members. It is simply not good enough to maintain some spurious philosophical objections to membership but hypocritically continue to receive the benefits that their colleagues, through the FAAA deliver.
The expiration of EBA8 was always going to be a very challenging time as we move to protect our conditions. The AIRC through its new Award has just made it even more challenging. The only two things that will protect our members from the conditions in the new Award after EBA8 expires are firstly, a highly unionised and cohesive membership and secondly elected officials who are competent.
I will keep you updated on this matter in due course.
Written and authorised by Michael Mijatov – Secretary International Division.
20 Ewan Street Mascot NSW 2020 Tel 61 2 8337 1111 Fax 61 2 8337 1122 Emergency Contact 0414 894 192www.faaa.net
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Part-Time Cabin Crew
This award actually could see some real improvements for part-time cabin crew rostering, especially in shorthaul.
13.3 At the time of engagement the employer and the part-time cabin crew member will agree in writing on a regular pattern of work.
13.4 An employer is required to roster a part-time cabin crew member for a minimum of four consecutive hours on any shift.
Imagine having regular days/hours of work that didn't change every month. How much easier life would be. Also getting at least a 4 hour shift, and not being stuck with CBR returns day after day!!!
13.3 At the time of engagement the employer and the part-time cabin crew member will agree in writing on a regular pattern of work.
13.4 An employer is required to roster a part-time cabin crew member for a minimum of four consecutive hours on any shift.
Imagine having regular days/hours of work that didn't change every month. How much easier life would be. Also getting at least a 4 hour shift, and not being stuck with CBR returns day after day!!!
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"ordinary hours of work are based on 1872 hours per year"!
for long haul crew this works to 288 hours per 8 week roster.
how the hell would they fit in my x days (18).
on the positive side, i guess i would be too tired to suffer from jet lag
for long haul crew this works to 288 hours per 8 week roster.
how the hell would they fit in my x days (18).
on the positive side, i guess i would be too tired to suffer from jet lag
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actually it works out to 312 which is supposed to be a 36 hour week approximately.
Thats because flying is clearly no different to someone working in the office according to "people who work in the office".
Thats because flying is clearly no different to someone working in the office according to "people who work in the office".
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It will be interesting to hear what Julia has to say when asked about these new 'Modernised' awards.
I have a feeling that the government will say that this is just a safety net and is designed that the employer cannot go below.It sounds like something that the previous government would have come up with.
The problem as pegasus747 said is the interpretation of these new clauses.
I can see crew being issued with food vouchers at McKentucky fried donuts if the airline could get away with it.
Other airlines share rooms and I bet ours would love to be able to as well.
They must be very happy with this being handed down.
I have a feeling that the government will say that this is just a safety net and is designed that the employer cannot go below.It sounds like something that the previous government would have come up with.
The problem as pegasus747 said is the interpretation of these new clauses.
I can see crew being issued with food vouchers at McKentucky fried donuts if the airline could get away with it.
Other airlines share rooms and I bet ours would love to be able to as well.
They must be very happy with this being handed down.