BA's new staff travel policy from Apr.09
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BA's new staff travel policy from Apr.09
As an ex. BA staff member, I am trying to find out if the rumor is true that staff who left the company on the ERVS scheme will be eligible for concessions again from Apr 2009.
I cant access the BA intranet anymore, but if someone could have a look at ST09 Q&A and see if there is any info about what (if any) concessions we will get, I would be eternally grateful.
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I cant access the BA intranet anymore, but if someone could have a look at ST09 Q&A and see if there is any info about what (if any) concessions we will get, I would be eternally grateful.
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All depends on your length of service but here is the gist:
Employees with more than 15 years continuous service
To qualify for staff travel benefits after leaving BA, employees must have completed 15 years continuous service. Concessions trigger immediately from date of leaving and are available for a period equal to the number of complete years of continuous service achieved.
Reason for leaving includes: resignation; retirement; under a business initiative e.g. voluntary severance or base closure. Employees who are dismissed or who terminate during a disciplinary process are not eligible.
Employees cannot defer receipt of staff travel benefits.
Employees will immediately be eligible to the following:
Employees with less than 15 years continuous service
Employees leaving BA under a business initiative e.g. voluntary severance or base closure, with a minimum of 6 months but less than 15 years continuous service will immediately qualify for concessions for a period of 2 years, commencing from the date of leaving.
Employees cannot defer receipt of Staff Travel benefits.
Employees will immediately be eligible to the following:
Employees with more than 15 years continuous service
To qualify for staff travel benefits after leaving BA, employees must have completed 15 years continuous service. Concessions trigger immediately from date of leaving and are available for a period equal to the number of complete years of continuous service achieved.
Reason for leaving includes: resignation; retirement; under a business initiative e.g. voluntary severance or base closure. Employees who are dismissed or who terminate during a disciplinary process are not eligible.
Employees cannot defer receipt of staff travel benefits.
Employees will immediately be eligible to the following:
- Unlimited standby on BA and other qualifying airlines
- Unlimited premium standby on BA
- Discounted commercial tickets on BA
- Annual bookable concessions based on length of service:
- For 15 to 19 years service inclusive - 1 x annual bookable concession
- For 20 years or more - 2 x annual bookable concessions
Employees with less than 15 years continuous service
Employees leaving BA under a business initiative e.g. voluntary severance or base closure, with a minimum of 6 months but less than 15 years continuous service will immediately qualify for concessions for a period of 2 years, commencing from the date of leaving.
Employees cannot defer receipt of Staff Travel benefits.
Employees will immediately be eligible to the following:
- Unlimited standby on BA
- Unlimited premium standby on BA
- Discounted commercial tickets on BA
- Annual bookable concession based on length of service
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Thanks...
I' still non the wiser as there are different reports on different forums, some saying 10yrs service and you get your travel back for the period you served with the company...
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Customer (*********) 05/09/2008 12.50 PM
An ex-collegue of mine who left BA in 1999 has asked me if he will get a bsafe password and staff travel for the 10years that he worked for BA, Can you shed some light on this please, or point me toward the relevent information which i can then show him. Thanks.
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Response (Staff & Duty Travel) 10/09/2008 09.18 AM
****** - if your ex-colleauge received a letter at the time he left confirming he would re-qualify for concessions at a later stage then he will be communicated with at a later date advising how he obtains a BSAFE password. From October he will be able to register his details at http://my.baplc.com and select the link 'Not a BA staff member' then 'Register my staff travel details'. Please advise him to do this in next month.
Anyone got a number for calling
I' still non the wiser as there are different reports on different forums, some saying 10yrs service and you get your travel back for the period you served with the company...
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Customer (*********) 05/09/2008 12.50 PM
An ex-collegue of mine who left BA in 1999 has asked me if he will get a bsafe password and staff travel for the 10years that he worked for BA, Can you shed some light on this please, or point me toward the relevent information which i can then show him. Thanks.
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Response (Staff & Duty Travel) 10/09/2008 09.18 AM
****** - if your ex-colleauge received a letter at the time he left confirming he would re-qualify for concessions at a later stage then he will be communicated with at a later date advising how he obtains a BSAFE password. From October he will be able to register his details at http://my.baplc.com and select the link 'Not a BA staff member' then 'Register my staff travel details'. Please advise him to do this in next month.
Anyone got a number for calling
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So this begs the question what was the pre-April 09 policy? Can anybody let me know? I have an interest in this being ex-BA but have no details of the scheme post-leavving.
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Looking at what I wrote previously, I think this is for anyone leaving AFTER April 2009. So if you have already gone, then you may be right about the concessions you get for the years you've currently worked. I've also had a look at the FAQ's and the Staff Travel policy and can't work out what it's trying to say !
I'd ring them.
Looking at what I wrote previously, I think this is for anyone leaving AFTER April 2009. So if you have already gone, then you may be right about the concessions you get for the years you've currently worked. I've also had a look at the FAQ's and the Staff Travel policy and can't work out what it's trying to say !
I'd ring them.
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It is all explained in the Touchdown magazine very well. Dont you get that publication? Also you dont have to be able to access the intranet to get answers to the staff travel policy.
Gatwickba
BA changed the Policy for Staff Travel over a period of 3 years of so called "discussions" with trade unions and the BA Liasion Council - which is supposed to represent pensioners, they made those members sign a Confidentiality Agreement until the policy had been decided, and then hit already retired staff with it. And how.
BA have admitted to me that they posted FAQ's - and then answered their own questions - in the FAQ's section of the retired staff Intranet site as the ONLY way that they let the news start to flow out; many older pensioners have no access to that site, as they are not computer owners, or maybe not very computer literate, and obviously don't sign on each day. This was a deliberate plot to keep those affected most from knowing until it was too late, eventually some of the changes - but not all - were posted in Touchdown and the bad news is slowly being disseminated.
There are changes which benefit serving staff, and maybe also the very recently retired, so it is difficult to get any movement to oppose the new policy, but basically one now only qualifies for staff travel in retirement for the same length of time after retirement as one worked. Its difficult to argue against that, BUT it is being applied retrospectively....... many of us have been retired now for longer than we worked, e.g. I worked 24 yrs then took Severance at the behest of the then Chairman, and I retired 25 yrs ago so BINGO ! do not pass go, do not collect two hundred pounds, just p*ss off. We are being offered a sop of 5 yrs from 2009, but I personally will still be young enough to enjoy travel - or would have been until the coming of Wxxxx Wxxxx and this stitch up.
Flying Staff, who previously had to retire at 55 also miss out, for by retiring 10 yrs before someone aged 65, and having served 10 yrs. less, they effectively miss out by some 20 yrs over non-flying staff.
I am a member of a Working Group within ABAP ( Ass'n of B.A. Pensioners ) trying to get some alleviation for those of us who are being severely scr*w**d, go to www.abap.org.uk, read the webmaster's blog and the associated comments, and if you - or anyone - would like to send me an e-mail by way of a PM I'll try to reply with more detail. ( I can only refer to the new policy for retired staff, I have no access to details that affect serving staff )
There is a move afoot to fight back, but I'm not at liberty to make details public just yet, too many moles around ! but rest assured that we will not rest assured. There is worse, I haven't got time or space here.
Touchdown - is the management mouthpiece supposedly keeping in touch with BA pensioners. If you aren't in receipt of a pension you probably aren't on their mailing list. Touchdown has consistently refused to print any letters of dissent from the hundreds of affected and angry, older pensioners.
Those of you still working - you will retire yourselves one day, if they can do this, what else is in store ?
BA changed the Policy for Staff Travel over a period of 3 years of so called "discussions" with trade unions and the BA Liasion Council - which is supposed to represent pensioners, they made those members sign a Confidentiality Agreement until the policy had been decided, and then hit already retired staff with it. And how.
BA have admitted to me that they posted FAQ's - and then answered their own questions - in the FAQ's section of the retired staff Intranet site as the ONLY way that they let the news start to flow out; many older pensioners have no access to that site, as they are not computer owners, or maybe not very computer literate, and obviously don't sign on each day. This was a deliberate plot to keep those affected most from knowing until it was too late, eventually some of the changes - but not all - were posted in Touchdown and the bad news is slowly being disseminated.
There are changes which benefit serving staff, and maybe also the very recently retired, so it is difficult to get any movement to oppose the new policy, but basically one now only qualifies for staff travel in retirement for the same length of time after retirement as one worked. Its difficult to argue against that, BUT it is being applied retrospectively....... many of us have been retired now for longer than we worked, e.g. I worked 24 yrs then took Severance at the behest of the then Chairman, and I retired 25 yrs ago so BINGO ! do not pass go, do not collect two hundred pounds, just p*ss off. We are being offered a sop of 5 yrs from 2009, but I personally will still be young enough to enjoy travel - or would have been until the coming of Wxxxx Wxxxx and this stitch up.
Flying Staff, who previously had to retire at 55 also miss out, for by retiring 10 yrs before someone aged 65, and having served 10 yrs. less, they effectively miss out by some 20 yrs over non-flying staff.
I am a member of a Working Group within ABAP ( Ass'n of B.A. Pensioners ) trying to get some alleviation for those of us who are being severely scr*w**d, go to www.abap.org.uk, read the webmaster's blog and the associated comments, and if you - or anyone - would like to send me an e-mail by way of a PM I'll try to reply with more detail. ( I can only refer to the new policy for retired staff, I have no access to details that affect serving staff )
There is a move afoot to fight back, but I'm not at liberty to make details public just yet, too many moles around ! but rest assured that we will not rest assured. There is worse, I haven't got time or space here.
Touchdown - is the management mouthpiece supposedly keeping in touch with BA pensioners. If you aren't in receipt of a pension you probably aren't on their mailing list. Touchdown has consistently refused to print any letters of dissent from the hundreds of affected and angry, older pensioners.
Those of you still working - you will retire yourselves one day, if they can do this, what else is in store ?
If I understand correctly though, if you are a retired pensioner from another airline, you can still interline on BA flights. It seems crazy to discriminate against your own staff? I guess that is the BA Way.
Hunterboy
Well said, and correct. Once removed from the Staff Travel database you will not be able to travel at all. Period. because there will be no way of your getting tickets on any of the Interline agreement airlines, but their staff will be using their Interline agreements to take your seats on BA aircraft - Nice !!
Also, surviving spouses of previous employees are to be restricted to BA flights only, again no Interline, and only Economy seating, i.e. if a Captain or Senior Staff widow now enjoys the priviliege of applying for an upgraded seat, that ceases immediately upon the death of the serving staff member ( or previous staff member ) Not a lot of serving staff know that, but that will apply to them too, 'cos a deceased staff member immediately becomes a previous employee, and so the previous employee rules immediately apply to their surviving spouse.
Join the fight, if you are not already a member of ABAP pls. join and we have a battle about to commence. ( actually you don't have to join, anyone can give support. PM me and I will e-mail you back.
They're taking our banked Long Service concessions off us to, but allowing serving staff more free trips and the ability to change their "partner" every 6 months. (?? "partner" ?? !!! )
Sevenfourseven When your airline treats you in retirement the way BA are treating us - you may (?) begin to understand. And don't say it won't happen to you. NEVER is a long time in Politics.
Well said, and correct. Once removed from the Staff Travel database you will not be able to travel at all. Period. because there will be no way of your getting tickets on any of the Interline agreement airlines, but their staff will be using their Interline agreements to take your seats on BA aircraft - Nice !!
Also, surviving spouses of previous employees are to be restricted to BA flights only, again no Interline, and only Economy seating, i.e. if a Captain or Senior Staff widow now enjoys the priviliege of applying for an upgraded seat, that ceases immediately upon the death of the serving staff member ( or previous staff member ) Not a lot of serving staff know that, but that will apply to them too, 'cos a deceased staff member immediately becomes a previous employee, and so the previous employee rules immediately apply to their surviving spouse.
Join the fight, if you are not already a member of ABAP pls. join and we have a battle about to commence. ( actually you don't have to join, anyone can give support. PM me and I will e-mail you back.
They're taking our banked Long Service concessions off us to, but allowing serving staff more free trips and the ability to change their "partner" every 6 months. (?? "partner" ?? !!! )
Sevenfourseven When your airline treats you in retirement the way BA are treating us - you may (?) begin to understand. And don't say it won't happen to you. NEVER is a long time in Politics.
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Thanks Beerdrinker
Thank you for posting the policy, looks like its 10yrs service for "Former employees", of which I am one - although not a pensioner as yet!
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I dont think the prices have actually been released yet. But when I worked for Qatar I believe the premium standbys were about double the price of the standard ones!
Hope that helps!
Hope that helps!
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You can now see the exact criteria for former BA staff on www.my.baplc.com
click on "not a ba staff member" then follow the instuctions at the bottom of the page, you are given options to see if you are eligible then fill a form in with old staff number etc...
click on "not a ba staff member" then follow the instuctions at the bottom of the page, you are given options to see if you are eligible then fill a form in with old staff number etc...
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well i am really sorry but I think the new policy has some good points too. I dont quite appreciate the way you highlight the word partners! The policy quite rightly addresses the fact that as single staff have been disadvantaged for a number of years over staff who go on board with the whole families, it now puts it right! Now you are allowed two travel companions who can travel independently! They dont have to be love partners, children or anything else. You can change them every six months and I find this very fair.
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Travel companions of retired staff cannot travel independently. Also the ability to change companions only applies as long as you have benefts. The worst part of the new policy is the restriction of benefits to time served (not even that, full years only and from date you because eligible, usually a year after you joined for older retireees). It is partiicularly unfair to existing retirees who expected to receive travel benefits for the rest of their lives. There is no mention in my retirement letter that benefits could be terminated, if I had any idea this could happen I might have worked longer to get more years. Also, as a previous poster noted, retireees of other airlines are not affected so they will still enjoy lifelong travel on BA due to the interline agreements. Is that fair in anyone's eyes? Current staff really need to support retirees in this battle because you never know what other benefits will be cut when you are a retiree.
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Premium standby is 3 times the price of the ID90 fare. And if you do not get into the Club Cabin you do NOT get the extra two times the fare back
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Premium standby is 3 times the price of the ID90 fare. And if you do not get into the Club Cabin you do NOT get the extra two times the fare back
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Good job after I left BA that I joined Virgin, as I am affected by this staff travel problem. I took early retirement and helped get BA out of a problem with overstaffing. A t least I will be able to use Virgin Retired staff travel until I dont want to use Staff Travel anymore. !!!!!
I am member of ABAP. Please join if you want to have any chance of overturning this grossly unfair dictate of present management!!!!
As one of your posters says Touchdown did not publish the information until the last moment although I get the BA News and saw it in there ages before.
Retired staff group at BA seems to have done nothing to stop this.
I am member of ABAP. Please join if you want to have any chance of overturning this grossly unfair dictate of present management!!!!
As one of your posters says Touchdown did not publish the information until the last moment although I get the BA News and saw it in there ages before.
Retired staff group at BA seems to have done nothing to stop this.
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Retired staff group at BA seems to have done nothing to stop this
Retired Staff are supposedly represented by the Retired Staff Liasion Council, who are appointed by B.A. after invitation - not elected by the retired staff.
In this case, the R.S.L.C. and all the Union reps. affected were sworn to a Confidentiality Agreement i.e. not to divulge to anyone - even the groups they were supposed to represent - what was being discussed, and eventually agreed - or dictated, take your choice.
The document was signed on 15th Nov.2007. and it was available on the staff website from about early Dec. I last printed myself a hard-copy in May 2008. On 18th October, 2008, I was advised that the document on the website had been altered, but we're not sure precisely when it was in fact altered ( you do read it every day, don't you !! ) Page 6 previously explained what had always been the case i.e. one gains an annual free trip after 20 yrs service, and 2 annual free trips after 30 yrs service.
Page 6 has now been amended - but the date still stays at 15.11.07 - and the amendment now states that for those retiring between 1.12.07 and 31.03.09, and only for that small group of beneficiaries, they will now be granted 2 free trips after only 20 yrs. I wonder why ?
Go to www.BA-be-fair.com - and read the comments as well.
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