Sistema

if cairns crew took everything so seriously we would have lost the plot a long time ago with the amount that has been dished out. our humor is one of many great things i love about our base. now everyone, just get a damp chux and lets move on. <-(chux on eye)

and just to bring to light whatever6719, we are laughing about a rag, not having ago at each other, as your last post suggests, in a 'friendly way'

call button

I read with amusement, all the posts about chux. Unlike longhaul flights where the aircraft are fully cleaned between sectors, and all the tray tables cleaned with spray and wipe, shorthaul aircraft are only fully cleaned once a day. Between each sector, the cleaners race on for about 5 minutes, do very little and get off. They do not clean the tray tables.

Often when you are out on the cart, and a passenger puts their table down to receive their tray, the table is covered with red wine spills (or much worse!!). You then have to race back to the galley to get something to clean it. After you have done this 10 times a day a brilliant idea comes to mind - 'Why don't I take the wet cloth with me on the cart, that will save a lot of time and effort!!!!!!!'

Of course, some shorthaul cabin crew don't bother with the chux, they don't even bother if the tray table is dirty, they just slam the tray down. But they are usually either the 'beehives' or the jaded ex longhaulers, and of course never the 'service excellence AO crew'.

QF skywalker

If the July bid pack is anything to go by then we are definetley staring down the barrel of base closure. No flying in it. Hardly any NRT's. Looks like 35 or so will be on Reserve again. ( I.E - AO GROUP 21 and below )

Trips with 5 overnights in MEL !!! MEL-PER returns every day ? Disgusting. And they wonder why they are still having issues with sick leave. No other crew member in the shorthaul network would do a 6 day trip with MEL-PER returns every day of it.

People SAFE ? PFFFFFT ! FATIGUE !!

GalleyHag

QF skywalker

I can appreciate where you are coming from but at least you have overnights a max of 18 (for some with enough senority of course). Spare a thought for Melbourne based crew only 8 overnights (once again with senority) with a lot of junior crew in Melbourne also on reserve and only Syd returns. So its just not Cairns.

As for direct transfers to long haul, good luck all hell would break loose if that was to occur and all the beehives would fight to the end to ensure you didnt get there before them. If transfers "were" to occur to long haul I would think it would be off the transfer list and Cairns crew would then be transfered to Sydney/Melbourne or Perth.

If the base was to close and the Perth transfer issue arose again it may mean that some Cairns crew would be offered Perth over the other bases I suppose.

QF skywalker

GH,

You're absoloutely right. But . . I'm just dreaming . I just think after 6 years we deserve a good gesture. A lot of people will say ' but you got given short haul jobs after AO ' . .Well I can agree partly, but for 90% of us it wasn't the dream job we had longed for and only the top 30 out of 250 of us got offered a slot down south. That leaves a lot of deserving people behind. Our dream was to get back down south as promised. ( AO southern base by mid 2003 ! ).

In addition to this no recognition of seniority and year one pay has since made us all poor. We have just had another junior crew member resign after having to sell her car because she is not getting anywhere near the same wage as AO. ( We were promised by QF no financial disadvantage after the closure of AO )

I know i am dreaming with BNE/SYD/MEL transfer or immediate LH transfer but the thought makes me finally feel apprecited, rewarded and happy.

QF SKY
( P.S - None of the above relates to the top 30 senior crew in CNS base who are wealtheir, happier and healthier than ever before - all because they started 7 months in front of most of us )

argus.moon

You are a "unit of work"...not a human being with a life of friends or aspirations.
You are of no consequence.

whatever6719

Argus Moon,
Oh how unfortunate your post was...yet, it is so true!!!

It pains me to say this but the sooner we accept that hideous truth, the better
off we'll probably be.
All i try and do is fly under the radar, have fun on board with a (mostly) great bunch of people and look after the punters with the respect they deserve, seeing they pay my mortgage!! The company are not going to give a rats if I stay or go but as long as im having fun, thats all that matters to me!

Anyway, hope the Cairns crew get a good deal, on second through, I hope we all end u getting a good deal

Happy Flying

FNQcrew

can anyone confirm that the 'short-term measures' are in fact the continuation of the port swaps? has that notice come out in the base? if anyone knows??

fluffyderby

Rumour mill has it that management will be making a play for that in the next short haul EBA...why wouldn't they? They are cheaper than Casuals, and why would short haul be the exception to long haul and Jetstar "B" scales.

Of course current F/A's would have to be stupid to accept it...unless you are intending to jump ship prior to the subsequent EBA and the carrot they dangle is HUGE...but then stranger things have happened before ie. the Regional flying EBA debarcle that got over the line.

I understand that that old fear factor/loss of flying/job chestnut was rolled out by managment prior to voting...but in 5 yrs time management at long haul will have enough QCCAs that they will be handing QF Airways crew their conditions-take it or leave it.

Anyway...Qantas management are light years ahead of our unions with future plans.

If you are looking at getting into flying now...I would suggest that you don't. You can earn more money these days waiting tables! Or perhaps just use it for 2 yrs to see a bit of the world.

call button

I believe the company have deferred further discussions regarding short-term measures until Friday 20th June when they will be meeting with the union to discuss.

The over establishment of crew affects all bases, with Cairns being the most over crewed.

My guess is that they will introduce a leave burn program, and also LWOP. I guess the Cairns cabin crew probably don't have a lot of accrued leave, however anyone with over a certain amount will be forced to take it. They will also probably offer LWOP, and temporary part time.

cartexchange

yet they are still recruiting heavily in AKL.............

speedbirdhouse

Unfortunately..................

stubby jumbo

I don't want to add to the pall of gloom hanging over our CNS comrades,

BUT...............the same stench is floating around what happened to us in PER.. 4.5 years back when the "BA-gnome" pronounced :

"THE PER L/H BASE IS A REALLY SPECIAL PLACE......I WISH WE COULD REPLICATE IT ON THE EAST COAST !"

The rest my dear friends is history.

Shattered dreams, Relocation nightmares, short team financial grief.

Remember that scene in........ I-ROBOT.....thats us

Argus is on the money, -The current "regime" see us as a "unit" who opens the door if ( in the unlikely event) if there is a problem.

How long has Darth got to go?

Please tell me....... its only a matter of months !

Good Luck all of you in FNQ

Trollywally

Stubby Jumbo (or anyone else who knows)

When they closed the Per LH base how much notice where you given? What where your options? Did you get reloction assistance?

cheers
TW

cartexchange

trolley it all depends on what your domestc faaa can negotiate.

the PER base was long haul, you guys are under a different award

cartexchange

bla bla
Yes 32 transferred to LH
NO ONE tansferred to SH

Bla_Bla

(...) but in 5 yrs time management at long haul will have enough QCCAs that they will be handing QF Airways crew their conditions-take it or leave it.

how accurate. QAL crew will than realise that the 3K bribe wasn't BIG enough.
alas. oh dear ....

(...) You can earn more money these days waiting tables! (...)

again! how accurate!!! i have 2 freinds making twice more money than me doing that !!!

A_B_P ,

many thks for clarifying the confusion with the A days. that was driving me insane. it seems that atm not many people ( incl management ) know much about our conditions . thks once again.

now i have a question to ask and pls if anyone know the answer please explain.

scenario 1 _ my roster is blocked at 230 hours. during the course of the 2 mth period i accumulated 15 hours worth of disruption and delays...
in theory 230+15=245 which means 5 hours of OT. right ?
how am i suppose to know if/how am i getting paid for those extra 5 hours ? the system CIS in LH doesn't show anything at all. back in SH it would automatically change on ur line. apparently in ARMS it does. dodgy as...
even if my LA goes pear shaped and it turns out to be a 19 hour duty how do i keep track of the xtra hours ???
a QAL crew told me that what she does is she writes it down her xtra hours in a diary so she knows what is going on ? is that for real ? another one that has 26 years told me that still to this day she doesnt understand her pay slip. i guess if i got paid what she does i wouldnt bother either.

scenario 2 _ I had a duty cancelled. it was a PER rnt. worht 11.50 hours. i was than told u owe us 11.50 hours.
my next duty was delayed by approx 5 hours all up both ways. does that mean that i now owe the company 6.50 hours ? 11.50 - 5 ?
please help !!!

lovelondon

I was just about to write a response to your scenarios 1 and 2 and realised there are three ways I can think of to get the " right " answers.

As you pointed out many FA's dont understand their payslips but its got nothing to do with earnings but rather apathy.

I would pick up the phone to ask operations first and if not satisfied with that then call the FAAA. As tedious as it is to wade through the EBA document the answers are probably in there too.


If you have a duty cancelled then you will be pay protected for the same number of hours which can be recovered by assigning you a duty on A days. I dont know if QCCA crew can decline an assigned duty and drop the pay protection but a phone call to ops will clarify that.

Overtime from a specific bid period is usually paid on day 29 ( 2nd Pay day ) of the next bid period.

A lot of crew view operations as the enemy but if you are polite in your phone manner then 99% of the time they are very helpful.

cabinhostie

Hi GalleyHag

What year pay are the MEL crew on who have lost O/N's?
CNS base may have more O?N's but did you know they are on a 1st year pay scale?

I wonder if this evens out the money issue.

Best of luck to MEL and CNS crew I hope all these issues are sorted out soon

Sistema

from what i have seen, all these melbourne overnights, are just cns crew being based in mel for a couple of day doing day trips, so wouldn't that be a sign that mel is short of crew to cover there day flying?

or is there a huge amount of permanent crew on res in mel too?