the union sent an email today about 'short-term measures' to solve the over establishment of cairns base, as I'm away & won't get any notices does anyone know what these measure are?? and how come everytime the union meets with the company all they seem to get out of it is another date to discuss the matter?!!
The CNS base had the best flying that has ever been, its no wonder that some crew are finding the change to domestic hard. The reality is that that the flying we had in AO was not the norm, what we do now is. Why does anyone expect Qantas to give us the long haul transfer before those who have been doing the "norm" for years and waited on the list for their turn to come up. Wake up guys it just wont happen. Your only option now is to take up with QCCA (and be one of Uncle Geoff's chosen) or go to London. By the way.....Long live the CNS base!!!!!!!!!!!!!
its great some people really enjoy domestic. however, when you applied for and absolutely loved what you were doing, to be thrown into tandem, it would be nice to have the offer available. hell i'd rather do a 3am muffin service then a per rtn.
the flying was the best at ao, we all know that and aren't looking for it. but i think we have been keep waiting, continually working hard, and when we thought it was going to get better once 'we were in', we still have had no casuals, flying our butts off and earning less.
my fingers are just crossed that with all the new aircraft coming, there will be some 'qantas' divisional movement.
but quick, before we go out... where's the chux! where's the chux!
I am completely with you sistema, we do work our butts off for less pay and it would be great if Qantas did offer alternatives or even really consider us, I just cant see Qantas ever thinking of us as people.
To the ivory tower of corporate Qantas, we are nothing but numbers, it doesn't matter if we have exceptional customer service skills eg; for years at AO with crap food etc, all we had as our service recovery was our sense of pride and humor AND IT WORKED.....
We are now in a world of KPI's and as long as they are met, Qantas is happy.
Who would ever have thought an Airline is in the "customer Service" division
Ha ! I love it. Put a chux on the cart. They are all so obsessed with putting a stupid wet chux on the collection cart, but can't even wear or button up their jackets when walking through the terminal, do their hair properly, follow service procedures (i.e - attaching the plastic cup under the ring of softdrink when handing to a pax ) or smile at the boarding gate. But don't forget the useless wet chux !! Seriously though, they are not that bad...but there are some Chux nazi's who I just laugh at.
Anyway, not expecting miracles. But.... When the PER L/H base closed crew were offered transfers and other oppurtunities ahead of others on waitlists. Stranger things have happened, and when something is happening to your base that is not favourable then I believe the crew in that base deserve to be ahead of the rest on waitlists when seeking alternative positions.
LONG HAUL, LONG HAUL, LONG HAUL ! Just give us 30 slots for those that want to go ! That will reduce the numbers !
hi QFskwalker, What is tis chux thing! must be a short haul type procedure, I bet its an anal thing they have, anyway looking forward to your description as we have no idea what your talking about in LH
as far as LH transfers go, don't hold your breath, in the last intake 32 came across from SH and NO ONE transferred to the domestics. OF those that came over 26 went to MEL and 6 to SYD, they also had been on the transfer list for years, most of them were ex LH that went over to the domestics and hated it and put their names on the list to come back.
Can you imagine what the beehives and the rest of the doylie throwers at the domestics will do if you guys at CNS get a transfer before them.
anyway I am waiting for you describe the CHUX, sounds evil..
these figures are based on current longhaul and shorthaul rosters i have access to, taken over a priod of 6 months. per calender month flying 'chock to chock' in s/h = 88 hours .................................................. ...........l/h = 82 hours QCCA add an extra 12-15hours pcm QCCA no bidding rights QCCA v L/H 20% pay cut yes, cabinhostie, take QCCA now
On every cart they take into the cabin they put a wet chux/wipe rolled up on each end of the cart. The reasoning is for instant help in cleaning up a spillage or wiping down a dirty tray table. It's so hilarious because it's a good idea, but one chux I think would be sufficient. They are forcefully anal about putting one on each end and they never get used ! You have to see it to believe it.
Don't worry bout brushing your hair for work, wearing a name tag or actually using a waiters cloth in Business. But forgot the wet chux and they get very moody. They're not on F27's or DC-9's anymore - no need to wipe ' black soot ' from the engines off everything.
If they don't give us L/H then the only other option is giving us our transfers down south. We should know more after 20th June.
I am so happy not to be alone with this chux thing. guys next time your on a pattern of 1, when no one is looking, remove the chux and its hilarious, problem is recognized half way up aisle and it will be replenished..
another fun thing, if you are in conversation with domestics, refer to 'now we are domestic', be sure you will be corrected that it is short haul. not domestic. but insist its domestic. it kills 2 mins anyway and you can have a laugh at the reactions...
We really aren't domestics in cns, and i think even they, the domestics, are figuring that out.
Not a chance in hell would I go to QCCA. Nor do I believe that there is a chance that there will be L/H postings offered to the CNS base
If people want to go to L/H then their only way will be via QCCA or London as I said earlier. Qantas does not want to have to pay any more people on the current L/H EBA and wont need to for as long as they have QCCA and there will always people who will do the job with those conditions.....just check out Geoffstar oops sorry Jetstar.
If Qantas had ever looked at us as 'Qantas' then we would have had our years of service recognized when they closed down AO ( however that would have cost Qantas more)
Big picture is, WHAT IS CHEAPEST and the most COST EFFECTIVE. Nothing personal.
Funny about the wet chux, that's also part of our rubbish collection procedure written in the manual for us at Virgin Blue ... I've seen it happen only once!
so basically what you are saying is that if there is NO CHUX on board then its a "no go item"
too funny!!!!
Just goes to show the difference in the Domestic mentality.....unfortunately this petty attitude towards things that are so irrelevant are creeping into long haul, Audrey is to blame for a lot of our "funny ways"....... well she tries to change things.........in th most petty ways!..... we simply ignore her!
Geez, what hope do any of us have when this sort of crap goes back and forth for laughs. Chux!!! Big Deal!! Ive been reading this stuff for months now hoping to find some new points of view gradually coming through, but, no. All we get is the usual lh sh stuff thats really getting old. Guys, I promise im not muck raking or anything but cant we just respect each others division? What do we stand to gain by short changing the other? I could go on with a list of sh*t a mile long about what Ive seen on QF lh flights but I wont. It wont achieve squat. The time may come when we need to stand together.In fact, I hope we can stand together because there is power in unity, and i think we can all agree that in the current industrial climate, we need all the power we can get!! Safe flying!!
Fair enough , Ive just spent a fair amount of time reading the Engineers industrial relations thread and it makes for some pretty sobering reading so forgive my "serious" tone. Also, with the Short Haul EBA about to get underway, I really hope we can achieve something worthwhile and not go backwards as seems to be the case so often in this industry. Anyway, back to topic, hopefully the Cairns crew will get some certainty one way or the other whether it be over at lh or over here in the Friendly Way
whatever call the FAAA domestic union and tell them how you feel. surely they will be able to assist you in some way. I can understand your angst over the matter. I too have been reading the engineers thread and I posted a reply but quickly deleted it as I am not going to get involved
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