LucyLayOver

Hey Highlfyr

I would hazard a guess at around 10-11k basic, an hourly rate of around £1.50 an hour.

I am doing some figures now and its a bit tricky but bare with me.

8,760 hours in a year
384 hours of compulsory leave
2,592 hours of Scheme days off a year

Deduct the 384 and 2,592 hours from the 8,760 hours and you get 5,784 hours. This does not include time off for sick or personal issues like hospital appointments, deaths in the family, jury service say 3 days per year, thats another 72 hours off so that brings the total down to 5712. Multiply the 5712 by £1.50 (at best) and you get an allowance figure of £8,568 plus your £10,000 basic. There you have it, about £18,000 a year before tax. Youre looking at about £1100 a month after tax if you dont take more than 16 days leave and you only have 3 days off sick/personal a year.

A samle roster could be

DAY 1 0625 Double European there and back finish 1900
DAY 2 0800 Double Domestic there and back finish 2030
DAY 3 0600-1500 Airport Standby
DAY 4 Available
DAY 5 0700 triple sector, nightstop Europe
DAY 6 0530 triple sector finish 1800
DAY 7 OFF
DAY 8 0500 European there and back finish 1400
DAY 9 1600 Los Angeles arrive (0400 GMT) 2000 local
DAY 10 departure for London 1800 local (0200 GMT)
DAY11 Arrive London 1600
DAY 12 OFF
DAY 13 0500 Domestic there and back finish 1300
DAY 14 OFF
DAY 15 2030 Hong Kong
DAY 16 Arrive Hong Kong (1100 GMT) 1900 local
DAY 17 leave Hong Kong 2300 local (1500 GMT)
DAY 18 Arrive London 0500
DAY 19 OFF
DAY 20 1300 Airport Standby
DAY 21 Available
DAY 22 OFF
DAY 23 0600 European double finish 1800
DAY 24 OFF
DAY 25 0700 European triple sector, nightstop
DAY 26 0530 European triple finish 1600
DAY 27 OFF
DAY 28 OFF
DAY 29 0530-1500 Airport standby
DAY 30 OFF

this is more or less a mixed flying roster that works to Scheme. Unless you have worked as Crew before you may not know about Scheme. Scheme is an official document that lays down the law about Cabin Crew and the limits on the duty they can perform.

If you live close to the airport and you dont have a car or a mortgage or rent to pay, you should be fine. You can finish work, go home sleep for a few hours and come back into work. If you plan to work for BA for 2 or 3 years, you will have the time of your life on the plane. I wouldnt anticipate doing it for more than that as you will probably be exhausted!!! If you want to get married and start a family, just do it for 12 months that should be enough. Just so everyone knows, BA now expect their crew to stay for about 3 or 4 years before they go on and find a real job as there are now no pay increases planned for any crew starting from the holding pool. You can expect to be on the same salary for the 3 or 4 years that you stay with the airline.

I would reccomend you apply to all the airlines in the UK and the Middle East, see which one offers you the best deal and the best career prospects. BA is now a 3-4 year job at the most. I think you can really progress quite quickly at easyJet and MyTravel or any of the other charter airlines, they have really cushty trips like weeks here and there. The Middle Eastern airlines offer rent free/subsidised luxury apartments, free health and medical care, free tickets back to the UK and a whole load of other benefits. Its worth having a look at.

Anyway, good luck, keep your eyes peeled and your ears pinned back, you might be hearing a whole lot more about being BA cabin crew over the next few months, Ive got a sneaky feeling about that

bogdanko

Well if there are other people like me seems like the new fleet is going to have enough cabin crews as I am ready to accept even this conditions in order to start flying with BA.

KEFREN82

I would prefer to sell ice creams on the road than accepting conditions like these.

ptc

Lucylayover -

Goodness, you have spent time working everything out!!! How long did that take you??
No disrespect but the LGW are on a higher hourly rate than you suggested, about £2.32 isn't it? And apparently it has already been stated that the new fleet will be a higher hourly rate, at least 10% above?

The figures you quoted sound very much like another major carrier out of LHR, but they come out with alot less than that!!! Yes, it is a huge drop in comparison to current T+C's, but a salary of £18000 at start off, could be a hell of alot worse!!! Im sure lots of people will still be crying out for a chance to get on that 'new fleet' it comes about!! Just take a look at another post on this forum.........people are on the dole taking home £65 a week, and with lots of qualifications and qualities to offer!

Tiger

wow! you have been busy working that all out...

And that sample roster looks hellish. Clearly others haven`t looked carefully at the destinations and factored in jet lag, and your day off (yes day off) will be you either spaced out or a sleep. Great life.. work work and work. You have to have balance in your life.

Oh there are other not so pleasant destinations in the BA network.

Anything to work (fly) for BA? On current terms and conditions yes, but that..


So lets have a break down..
£11000 pa works out at £916pm. Tax and NI very roughly £720pm.

Allowance £2.32 ph but LHR new fleet are getting an extra 10% ???? from previous postings. 23p an hour more. £2.55 ph. Tax that.

So are BA going to pay the hourly rate for standbys now?

No way!

747-436

Surely scheme or whatever it is called in BA is based around the CAA CAP371? That example roster doesn't include the requirement for 2 consecutive days off in 14 days, until day 27 in that example??

ltn and beyond

Lucylayover, further to your detailed post and roster.

From what I know of BA mixed fleet flying you have over estimated the short haul work on the roster, as I believe and BASSA have quoted the "NEW FLEET" will be flying the big box payment trips, this being one of their main concerns for current crew. So your roster model would not work due to CAA CAP 371 rules for time off on non aclimatised trips.

However if this type of work pattern and reduced rest is some way introduced by BA, and Im sure they will thank you for bring the idea to the table, then it will make commuting almost impossible. So may i suggest before you post this type of propagander you think of all our commuting collegues.

Tiger

I was so shocked at that roster I was gob smacked plus a long day didn`t really study it too far.

Few fundemental mistakes. One being the 900 hours a year EU directive.

highflyr

Thanks for the feedback and information guys. It was all really useful (and incredibly depressing!!!). I guess I'll wait for further instruction from BA and take the decision based on that. But, going on the information above, it's highly doubtful that I'll be able to join.

Thanks again. I'll just cross my fingers until I get 'the call'.

Tiger

Btw hitting your 900 hours or becoming very close to it, you will be living on basic salary (ie £720 ish after sgl tax and NI pm) for a month or two.

Perhaps LGW crew or WW crew could explain this 900 hour EU directive better than myself.

Air123

Does anyone know if BA has any plans for recruitment in the near future.. and are those 11 month contracts continuing?

LadyP

Not Lady P (her son) here,

I have been appyling for most airlines that are recruiting, I had an interview with BMI but wasnt successful. Someone said BA tend to recruit later on in the year and have cancelled the current training days.
It is my dream to go on board with BA and with so few other airlines recruiting its depressing.

I have also applied to Flybe, Qatar and KLM cityhopper and im only 19 so I cant apply to Emirates.

Anyone who knows the answers would be very much appreciated (sorry for being miserable).

x

speedmarque

No new entrants for rest of year.

sunlight10

Hey all,

I got in to the hold pool in June 2008. My references were already checked but no course offered so far... has anyone heard anything at all about how long we might have to wait before we are offered a job? I am quite worried since my application will expire end of November... Any light in the tunnel?

joshmist03

From what i have been reading on previous threads and hear say from friends, courses have not been planned yet.

They have larger issues to sort out before thay can start running courses for new entrants. If you look on the Project Columbus thread, you will see what I mean. Sit tight, you may hear news on course start dates around autumn 09.

sunlight10

Thanks a bunch for the tips Joshmist03! It seems I will have to be patient!!

kraze

Ba are purposing to reduce crewing levels on aircrafts so fuurther entrant courses seem unnecessary. They are trying to get rid of crew instead of adding more.

From what i gather, the Mixed fleet proposal is off the drawing board for now.

And you really have to watch the 900 hours. Once you hit that you are grounded and won't be taking home any extra dosh. When manpower is short of crew that's when your hours will fly sky high

jollyjumbo

Sad news that the flight deck hold pool has came to an end & closed, all in this list have been told they can re-apply,Whenever
Do hope they do not follow suit for cabin crew as it wouldnt be fair on all who have been waiting a year to then be informed that the cc pool has gone.
Fingers crossed for all swimming.

bharti patel

Hi ,

I just joined in yesterday, I think it is very slow for this sort of jobs at present situation is not helping at all. I am looking for Passenger Service Agent at any London airport , if possible at Heathrow as I live nearer, LGW is bit far, Stn is far too, but not fussy. I have Finished my course on Passenger Service Agent online through Emirates and passed with good grades. Please let me know of any airlines looking to recruit for PSA.
If any Handling companies To suggest who deals with this type of recruitment , if anyone out there pls fwd some details.


Thanks