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Old 22nd December 2007, 01:01   #21 (permalink)
 
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anyone notice that team jetstar are recruiting again for the SYD base? Strange because they only had an assessment centre here about 3 weeks ago! What's the go with this?? sounds abit fishy!
did they not have any luck 3 weeks ago? or are they trying to get as many people on AWA's before they get abolished?
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Old 22nd December 2007, 03:06   #22 (permalink)
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Well they have announced about 35 Cabin Managers over a few bases so I guess they are expanding so need the crew. and we are getting bigger planes and the new crew are meant to be trained on the 320/321/330 so very interesting times ahead
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Old 22nd December 2007, 12:04   #23 (permalink)
 
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You know you work for JQi when the take off minimum take off weight isn't met so they need to start filling drums of concrete in order to meet it.

CNS-NGO-KIX-CNS - a classic example.
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Old 22nd December 2007, 14:21   #24 (permalink)
 
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and what has that constructive comment got to do with Jetstar?
Even as Qantaslink we sometimes had to sandbag the aircraft to keep the loadings even... ? but i dont think many wannabe cabin crew really care...
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Old 22nd December 2007, 16:11   #25 (permalink)
 
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Futureflier I'd say the assessment centres will keep on coming thick and fast because they intend to have an extra 800 cabin crew here at Jetstar by the end of the year (2008). I'm in the third week of ground school for domestic Melbourne dual base and we've been told that another ground school will be starting on the 2nd of January, then another will start about a week or two later, and then ANOTHER before the end of January!

And I am pleased to announce that myself and the other 23 new crew in my ground school have voted unanimously to accept a new Collective Agreement that has been negotiated between Team Jetstar and the FAAA. Yay!

The contract we signed initially wasn't actually an AWA, it was a common law contract - an agreement between the individual and the company, ie. Team JQ. Well the FAAA got involved and had high-level talks with the new Team Jetstar management (Team JQ is a fully-owned subsidiary of Jetstar Airways) and a LOT of our pay and conditions have been improved modestly - but most importantly there are boundaries and assurances in place, or in WRITING, that weren't there under the previous contract. As well as guarantees of pay increases for each year of the 5 year agreement, and a re-negotiation on duty hours and rest periods at midpoint of the agreement (in about 2-3 years). We even had one of the chiefs from the FAAA come in last week to have a frank talk to us about what he thought of our initial offer compared to what he and the union were able to negotiate with Team JQ in the new agreement.

So we're all a lot happier that we've voted in this new agreement which ALL new cabin crew working for Jetstar will be signed under. And incase you hadn't already assumed; all future recruits to Jetstar cabin crew will indeed be employed under Team Jetstar.

Having said that, myself and the others in my ground school are a bit excited in that as an upside to our longer planned duty hours and maximum extendable duty hours we will now be considered for occasional international sectors on the A330 or the new regional international sectors on the A321. We're still domestic crew and will primarily fly domestic sectors for most of our roster periods though.

My ground school is only being trained on the A320 and we'll come back to do a 4 day conversion course for the A321 and A330 some time in the following few weeks once we're checked to line. However, the next ground school starting early Jan will have all 3 types included in their training.

I personally think it's quite exciting. It's the way the company is headed and you've just gotta go with it or be left behind I say - me and my friends at ground school are looking forward to the massive expansion that Jetstar will be undergoing in 2008.
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Old 23rd December 2007, 01:59   #26 (permalink)
 
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The way of the future!!!!

I can tell with comments like that, that you are definately new to this game. Spare a thought that you will always be on a different wicket to the crew that are currently on line!!!!

Plus, not that I want to burst your bubble or anything, but you guys in accepting employment with JQ on less attractive conditions are cheapening the proffession!!!!

You will still be working more hours than the rest of us. And as excited as you may be now, I can guarantee that Team Jetstar will have higher sick leave than the old crew!!! You guys are going to be worked into the ground.
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Old 26th December 2007, 01:02   #27 (permalink)
 
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Question no news here

Hi everybody! anyone else got a start date? I have not heard back yet. Should i be worried?
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Old 26th December 2007, 11:34   #28 (permalink)
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Interview 8th Jan 08

Hey Guys,

I have a interview on
the 8th January 2008, I am very excited and a little nervous, I was wondering if anyone could please help me with the type of questions that are asked on the day? And also it states in the email that if progessed to the second interview, it will be held the following day (9th Jan? What does this interview involved, is that the morning tea??)
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Old 26th December 2007, 11:40   #29 (permalink)
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hey norge

I finished my medical and ASIC clearance start of DEC, then out of the blue 2 weeks ago I got a phone call for an offer of employment. My ground school starts 14 th Jan (pretty excited) Just hang in there guys, your phone call is probably not to in the distant future.
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Old 26th December 2007, 22:31   #30 (permalink)
 
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Well said A320 GB, these new crew are saying they are 'excited' by the modest increase in t's & c's etc, if only they realise that they could have alot better still! It's simple, just DO NOT take a job with Jetstar on those conditions. If the airline could not get people to work for that money on those conditions then they would have to improve the offer..........

Also, regarding the conditions etc, can any Team Jetstar person(perhaps Want2Fly!) confirm exactly what your duty hours can be and what rest periods you are entitled to?
What is your max hours per DUTY and per ROSTER(and is it calander month or 28 days??)

Thanks
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Old 27th December 2007, 08:32   #31 (permalink)
 
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BlokeHostie:
This is according to the T's+C's that TeamJQ sent me.

Planned duty hous will either be:
i) Up to 152 hours (which may be average over a period of up to 12 months) plus reasonable additional hours, rostered over a 28 day roster period OR
ii)Up to 164.67 hours (which may be average over a period of up to 12 months) plus reasonable additional hours, rostered over a month where a month is defined in clause 1A in Appensix A OR
iii)Some other arrangement of 1976 ordinary hours (which may be average over a period of up to 12 months) plus reasonable additional hours.

Annual Base Salary
You will be paid an annual base salary of $32,500. The annual base salary includes all payments and allowmances other than those specified in clause 31. The salary covers all allowances for expenses and conditions associated with your work including grooming, laundry, uniforms, shoes, shift and miscellaneous expenses.

The base hourly rate wil be calculated using the following formula:
Applicable annual base salary/1976

Cut short on the next stuff, there is a domestic flying allowance of $11.40per/hr

Give us your thoughts people.
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Old 27th December 2007, 08:34   #32 (permalink)
 
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Also that you are not guarenteed 8days off/month, they are averaged over 12 months (ie you could have 4 one month then 12 the next) and 28days annual leave.
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Old 27th December 2007, 10:40   #33 (permalink)
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Wow sounds great. Sick leave will be low. Moral will be high. All in all a good deal. Congrats to all those who come on board.... Oh and I am being sarcastic
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Old 27th December 2007, 11:06   #34 (permalink)
 
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I've worked under a common law contract with a different company before.

For those here who have a copy of the contract and are taking the offer seriously I would like you to do me a favour. Go grab yourself a highlighter, preferably orange in colour. I want you to highlight every place in that contract that has "resonable" after a statement.

I will tell you that your view of resonable and the company's view of resonable will be somewhat different.

Enjoy life at team JQ.



and smartalec, i'm not too sure which angle you're trying to take here. One minute you're slagging off Jetstar about concrete and the 330. Next thing you're telling us all that you have a team JQ contract.

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Old 27th December 2007, 13:44   #35 (permalink)
 
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smartalec - there is no such thing as "minimum take-off weight".

You may however need ballast to put the a/c into correct weight & balance - however this can be required even when aircraft are close to their maximum take off weight.
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Old 28th December 2007, 03:16   #36 (permalink)
 
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i shiver at the thought of 'reasonable' additional hours - for you it may mean being allowed to go an hour over your limit - for me it means its the end of the month and you are already way out of hours - but they will now work you on 'reaonable additional hours' - you will probably be ROSTERED to your maximum hour limit each month and then given standby days in addition - and any delays just add on as part of the 'reasonable' bit.
Sorry but that sucks. I know what they are like now - i cant imagine they will treat the ability to work you into the ground 'reasonably'
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Old 28th December 2007, 07:39   #37 (permalink)
 
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A_B_P

If you pay peanuts....

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Old 28th December 2007, 08:02   #38 (permalink)
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airbusthreetwenty,

couldn't have said it better myself.
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Old 28th December 2007, 11:59   #39 (permalink)
 
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Smartalec888, I'm not sure where you're going to be based or whether you're domestic or international (I didn't read back to see if you said that), but those pay/conditions details you posted there are now obsolete.

That was what stood under the common law contracts initially drawn up for Team Jetstar. But myself and the other 23 in my current ground school (we are the only current Team Jetstar employees) for MEL domestic, have just voted unanimously to accept the new Collective Agreement that has been negotiated between the FAAA and Team Jetstar.

The new five-year agreement has an increased first year base salary of $33,475 with payrises yearly; $34,479 as of Sep '08, $35,513 as of Sep '09, $36,578 as of Sep '10, and $37,675 as of Sep '11.

The flying allowance has also been increased to $11.70 for every block hour. And this will be increased by 3% each year of the agreement.

When taking the flying allowance into account and adding that to the base salary, the overall pay we expect to take home in a year is comparable to the current crew with potential to actually earn more if we end up being rostered the higher number of hours we're able to work in a month. Which are still the same as before by the way; 152 hours rostered over a 28 day period, or up to 164 hours rostered over a month. And I've just received my first roster for January and we are getting rosters by the calendar month like the current crew - not 28 day. It also now states that we can only work 6 consecutive days - I don't think the previous contract had that.

The new agreement also now says that when we take sick days we will be docked a notional day of 7.6 hours from our total sick hours instead of under the previous contract where we would have been docked the amount of hours we were rostered to work that day, whether it had been a 6 hr duty or a 13 hr one.

We also now have a concrete redundancy plan offered to us under the new agreement and there is now also 12 weeks paid maternity leave which I believe is the same as the current EBA. We'll now also get paid at a rate of 1:4 hours for our home standby (live days), which I THINK is like the current crew maybe?

With regards to days off per month, the new agreement now clearly states that the employee will have a minimum of 8 days off in every roster period.

The new agreement still allows for 228 hours of annual leave a year - ie. 6 weeks.

Our notice of termination of employment period has now been extended to 4 weeks once you're off the initial 6 month probation period. 5 weeks if you're over 45 years of age.

The new agreement also spells out clearly that we have a disputes settlement procedure and a consultation clause whereby a communication and consultation process regarding issues that affect employees under this agreement can take place between union reps, the employees and the company. The previous common law contract did not allow for this.

The only area that wasn't changed, is the duty hours and rest periods. Because in order for Team Jetstar to accept the requests put forward by the FAAA, they couldn't come to agree on the duty hours and rest periods so they will be re-negotiated at midpoint of the agreement (in about 2.5 years) after there's been practical experience of cabin crew working under these duty hours and conditions.

The area where Jetstar is benefitting from this agreement is much greater flexibility to use us domestic crew to occasionally operate international sectors because of our longer allowed duty hours and even the flexibility of having crew that won't 'run out of hours' on domestic duties where delays occur.

For the record, our planned duty hours are 12 hours, with operational extensions to 15 hours. But I doubt we'll start seeing days that long until we have enough Team JQ crew out on line to make up an entire crew on any given flight because until then, we'd have to be in line with the Jetstar crew we're crewing alongside for the day. These kind of hours are going to allow us to do hops like MEL-DRW-SIN or MEL-PER-SIN and also to operate on some international sectors in addition to our mainly domestic flying duties.

Planned rest period is 12 hours following a duty of 0-14 hours with operational reductions to 10 hours. Following a duty of 14-17 hours the rest period will equal the duty hours with operational reductions to 12 hours.

We said yes to this agreement because most areas were improved upon from the previous common law contract and also because a union-negotiated COLLECTIVE agreement was always going to be better than an 'individual vs the company' style contract.

All of us in the current ground school are having a ball - a real awesome time, and are looking forward to getting out on line. Some of us were initially concerned with the longer duty hours and stuff, but there's nothing we can do about that - ALL new crew will be employed under Team JQ and there's no changing that.

None of us were going to knock back this job based on the principle of fighting for 'what is right'. Because unless EVERYONE rejects the offer on the table and it ends up being just a few that protest by knocking back the job offer, then Jetstar isn't going to change a THING! That's why I see this as inevitable. I do at least take SOME comfort in knowing we have a LOT more safeguards and assurances in place with the new Collective Agreement (which by the way, took effect from 21 December) - more things that are in writing, rather than all the loopholes or loose ends there were with the common law contract.

All of the crew that we've spoken to already and the managers that have been coming in to speak to us have been really great - awesome people and a friendly working environment is what we've all noticed about Jetstar and we all feel really welcome in our new jobs. No one so far has given us a hard time about the fact we're Team Jetstar nor do I feel we'll cop that when we're out on line, despite what current crew's personal opinions may be.

So Smartalec888, if you are starting ground school in the upcoming weeks and you've only got that common law contract so far, then rest assured you'll have the new agreement posted out to you soon.
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Old 28th December 2007, 13:47   #40 (permalink)
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On paper doesn't seem too bad.
Try doing a 14 hour back of the clock (syd-bali-syd) duty then having 12hrs rest and rocking up again that night for the next duty. I am not a princess but I am very tired after a 4 sector 10hr 15min duty and I am entitled to 14 hours rest.

I'll be interested to see how great the Team Jetstar feel after the first 6 months.

Best of luck
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