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Old 26th November 2002, 13:57   #1 (permalink)
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Free lance Pilot

Being presently employed as a corporate pilot, full time, by a company in France, I would like to know the pro or con's of a freelance contract for this postion
am flying 30 Hrs /months, and I have no contract ..... Hence the question.
What are the typical form of freelance contract, what could I charge, ....

Many thanks

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Old 28th November 2002, 14:38   #2 (permalink)
 
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Bonjour, Porco.

I seem to remember from some of your earlier posts that you are presently flying something like a Seneca or equivalent. For that, the going rate seems to be £100-120 per day for Captain, plus overnight expenses away from base. If you get enough days it can be a reasonable livining, but most companies seem to employ freelancers on an 'ad hoc' basis either when their (infrequent) charters come up or when they have too much for their full-time pilots to do.
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Old 28th November 2002, 15:29   #3 (permalink)
 
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Thank you for you quick reply, Eyeinthesky
Am still flying my old Seneca across Europe, waiting to upgrade toward a turboprop (probably TBM700 )
Since I enjoy mylifestyle, I am considering many option to increase my income in the General Aviation side of life ! Maybe the TBM700 market could offer more freelance opportunities than the light twin.
Best regards
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Old 28th November 2002, 18:37   #4 (permalink)
 
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Rocco,

I have been flying a couple years ago freelance with a single turbo prop ( P210/allison) base at Rouen & deauville, and use to charge 120 UK£ a day for a maximun of 5 hrs. I charged all extra hrs 30 UK£ an hour. Of course you ve got to add all expansive when on night stop away from base.
all the best on the TBM700 it is a nice machine !

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Old 29th November 2002, 11:57   #5 (permalink)
 
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Salut Mosantu
J'en connaissais un qui faisait du Noratlas au Zaïre, et originaire de Rouen de surcro't. Contacte moi ci dessous
Erwann et Igor souhaitaient te contacter l'année derniére

Bye
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Old 29th November 2002, 18:22   #6 (permalink)
 
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In the UK at least, freelancing on a TBM 700/C206/PC12 is a bit of a non-starter I think. The reason for this is that at present they are not allowed to operated under IFR for public transport. (I know JAA are approving them, but the CAA is as usual dragging its feet).

If you are employed as a freelance pilot to fly a trip in such an aircraft, it immediately becomes public transport as you are being paid directly for your plioting services. This is different to working for a company which also uses you to fly their aircraft (eg corporate). This is then a private flight and is not restricted by the SE IFR rules.

Confused? Everyone else is!
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Old 30th November 2002, 21:21   #7 (permalink)
 
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Well, am not sure about this one

If the A/C belongs to the company, it's private flight, no matter the pilot is freelance or employed full time. (I think ..)
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Old 1st December 2002, 11:32   #8 (permalink)
 
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Don't think so: many airlines own their own aircraft. They're not private flights!!

But I'm only guessing. Anyone know for definite??
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Old 1st December 2002, 12:34   #9 (permalink)
 
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Guys, it's only public transport when you have fare paying pax.

In other words, if say, an engineering company owns an aircraft and hires the services of a freelance pilot to fly some staff (who do not pay for the air fare), it's not public transport! It's a corporate operation.

All the company pays for is the pilot's services; the aircraft is not hired from a third party (air taxi company) who makes money on it. The pilot although operating freelance is being considered as a company's employee.

Is that clear?
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Old 1st December 2002, 13:08   #10 (permalink)
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Like Leo45 said plus it has to be under a Public Transport AOC (A to A, A to B). I flew a Caravan under these condittions here in the UK (G Reg) and in total accordance with the CAA but only for the company I was employed by (i.e company trips only whether they were PAX or Cargo flights).

(But eyeinthesky, what you say is applicable under the FAR).

PorcoRoss, about six-8 months ago I started a thread like yours and got a few reponses but if you haven't done it already perhpaps you could have a look at it.
Try Freelance in the topic, can't remember what I called it but something like that.

 
Old 3rd December 2002, 11:01   #11 (permalink)
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Aaaaah mon Amexou favori !

Merci, j'y jette un coup d'oeil.

My point leo45, Thanks.

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