Cessna Denali V PC12

[nomorecatering]

Are Cessna being deliberately conservative with the performance specs of the up comming Denali.
It has an engine claimed to use 30% less than the "nearest competitor", yet the Denali has less range with the same fuel as the PC12.
Speeds, weights, dimensions etc all seem very close to identical as the PC12.
So what's the supposed advantage, why would somone put up money for an aircraft that they wont get for a couple more years when the PC12 can do it now.

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by nomorecatering

Are Cessna being deliberately conservative with the performance specs of the up comming Denali.
It has an engine claimed to use 30% less than the "nearest competitor", yet the Denali has less range with the same fuel as the PC12.
Speeds, weights, dimensions etc all seem very close to identical as the PC12.
So what's the supposed advantage, why would somone put up money for an aircraft that they wont get for a couple more years when the PC12 can do it now.

The most logical theory I've heard is that Cessna wants to keep customers their product family. - Initial training in a C-172/182, maybe Caravan time, and then into the Denali and onto a Mustang.

As it is now, after training in a Cessna, the wealthy owner/pilot hops into a TBM or PC-12 and Cessna becomes a mere after thought.

[flyboyike]

Originally Posted by nomorecatering

So what's the supposed advantage, why would somone put up money for an aircraft that they wont get for a couple more years when the PC12 can do it now.

FWIW, It's not so easy to get a PC-12 now, they have a backlog.

[fleigle]

flyboy
"FWIW, It's not so easy to get a PC-12 now, they have a backlog. "
There are 47 for sale on Controller right now.
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[500 above]

The most logical theory I've heard is that Cessna wants to keep customers their product family. - Initial training in a C-172/182, maybe Caravan time, and then into the Denali and onto a Mustang.

Cessna ended Mustang production last year. The Denali will likely be the end game in single pilot transports for a while.

[flyboyike]

Originally Posted by fleigle

flyboy
"FWIW, It's not so easy to get a PC-12 now, they have a backlog. "
There are 47 for sale on Controller right now.
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I thought the word backlog would make it clear I meant new ones, but clearly I thought wrong.

[fleigle]

flyboyike
Aaah, therein lies the confusion.... new!
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[TurboPropFan]

I believe the figure of 30% is the longer TBO of GE engine of the Denali (vs PT-6) and not the fuel burn. What is missed in comparison was the plentiful TBM's of variety of sizes, horse-powers,speed, and weight category. which are another family of working single engine Turbo Props.

I am not quite sure if these category of aircraft (S.E.Turbo Props) are allowed to operate as in Part-135 in USA and specially IFR at night as they maybe allowed in Europe, and would like to know for sure. If not, then their use will be limited to private and corporate owners only and not as charter service. Just curious. Thanks.

[sellbydate]

Originally Posted by TurboPropFan

I believe the figure of 30% is the longer TBO of GE engine of the Denali (vs PT-6) and not the fuel burn. What is missed in comparison was the plentiful TBM's of variety of sizes, horse-powers,speed, and weight category. which are another family of working single engine Turbo Props.

I am not quite sure if these category of aircraft (S.E.Turbo Props) are allowed to operate as in Part-135 in USA and specially IFR at night as they maybe allowed in Europe, and would like to know for sure. If not, then their use will be limited to private and corporate owners only and not as charter service. Just curious. Thanks.

In Europe at least the new GE engine and the airframe combination will have to clock up a fair few hours to prove reliability before EASA would mandate approval for SET commercial ops. To an extent, the anticipated in-flight failiure rate can be extrapolated from the DNA of the engine core design, but that only goes so far. You definately won't be able to buy a new Denali off the production line and put it to work commercially in Europe from day one, might be several years later. Not sure about the FAA and US Part-135 ops, they might take a more accomodating view.

[flyboyike]

Originally Posted by TurboPropFan

I am not quite sure if these category of aircraft (S.E.Turbo Props) are allowed to operate as in Part-135 in USA and specially IFR at night as they maybe allowed in Europe, and would like to know for sure.

They are indeed, and now you know for sure.