Lux aviation buying Execujet?
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Speaking to a some friends and ex colleagues, in companies that have already been "absorbed", I have been surprised to hear that apparently no efforts have been made to utilize the buying power of the new group of companies when it comes to training, fuel, handling etc.
If correct it could of course still be a bit premature to draw any conclusions from, but these areas would be early and fairly straight forward areas to address I would have thought?
If correct it could of course still be a bit premature to draw any conclusions from, but these areas would be early and fairly straight forward areas to address I would have thought?
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Captainprop,
As you may have probably guessed, you're friends and colleagues are talking rubbish.
I know that fuel purchasing, Insurance and other areas were homogenised from day 1.
Just because you bump into someone who works for a company, don't assume they know what is going on at board level.
Luxaviation are letting each company keep it's own company culture whilst also having the economies of scale in the purchasing side - a refreshing approach if you ask me.
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As you may have probably guessed, you're friends and colleagues are talking rubbish.
I know that fuel purchasing, Insurance and other areas were homogenised from day 1.
Just because you bump into someone who works for a company, don't assume they know what is going on at board level.
Luxaviation are letting each company keep it's own company culture whilst also having the economies of scale in the purchasing side - a refreshing approach if you ask me.
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Well, spank my ass and call me Charlie. Luxaviation snaps up ExecuJet to become world's second-largest business jet operator - 5/5/2015 - Flight Global
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Interesting. I wonder how concerned TAG, Global Jet, Jet Aviation, Hangar8/Jetclub, Gama etc should be over this development? Are they big enough to continue on their own? Is the market big enough for these companies to co-exist?
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reading now the Flight Global article suggests that Execujet has brought about 150 aircraft to the party. I think everybody here knows, that this it not the truth. Of course Execujet has a quite a footprint, but no way that have 150 aircraft under mgt. Can anyone confirm this fleet size. I think 70 max might be right.
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I think if you count all the planes and helicopters that are either managed or have a service agreement worlwide, 150 could be correct...
From experience, it does not take much time or effort to lose the clients you supposedly "bought" along with the management company, as the present owners of Jet Aviation or Premium Jet could testify...
There had better be some serious brown-nosing of the existing customer base at Execujet going on....
For me the pudding-proof will be how long DD keeps his own 7x at EXJ..
From experience, it does not take much time or effort to lose the clients you supposedly "bought" along with the management company, as the present owners of Jet Aviation or Premium Jet could testify...
There had better be some serious brown-nosing of the existing customer base at Execujet going on....
For me the pudding-proof will be how long DD keeps his own 7x at EXJ..
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Booglebox.... Could be ))) are you also one of those guys who will pretend to have less Marriott nights and points than they have, because the truth is just a bit pathetic? 
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Hehe...You guys in Marriott these days? 
69 aircraft registered as managed/operated by EJ.
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69 aircraft registered as managed/operated by EJ.
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Heard that the 2 X Global 6000s Execujet received:
ExecuJet Aviation Group welcomes 10 aircraft to managed fleet
are actually sitting in a hangar somewhere without interiors in and haven't flown. Operators are always very keen to tell you when they get new aircraft under management, but, for understandable reasons, they aren't going to tell you when they lose an aircraft.
So 'aircraft under management' is always a flexible and grey area.
As an example, Its a bit like when they report "increased movements at Cambridge Airport", that doesn't actually mean they have had a lot more aircraft taking off and landing there - it really means they've just had a higher turn over of staff, leaving the Company and being replaced.
ExecuJet Aviation Group welcomes 10 aircraft to managed fleet
are actually sitting in a hangar somewhere without interiors in and haven't flown. Operators are always very keen to tell you when they get new aircraft under management, but, for understandable reasons, they aren't going to tell you when they lose an aircraft.
So 'aircraft under management' is always a flexible and grey area.
As an example, Its a bit like when they report "increased movements at Cambridge Airport", that doesn't actually mean they have had a lot more aircraft taking off and landing there - it really means they've just had a higher turn over of staff, leaving the Company and being replaced.
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FlyMD: No, I'm the guy in the office that you give your Marriott rewards number to 
150 aircraft is a bit of a dodgy number IMHO. Earlier this year the # of aircraft dispatched by the guys in Cambridge had just passed 100, including all the AOCs, private stuff, middle east stuff, etc. so that means there are 50 others that are managed but not dispatched.... Plausible I guess. Could be fuel only or completions or whatever.
I think DD will be happy if he has his fresh flight attendant for every flight...
150 aircraft is a bit of a dodgy number IMHO. Earlier this year the # of aircraft dispatched by the guys in Cambridge had just passed 100, including all the AOCs, private stuff, middle east stuff, etc. so that means there are 50 others that are managed but not dispatched.... Plausible I guess. Could be fuel only or completions or whatever.
I think DD will be happy if he has his fresh flight attendant for every flight...
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Nice and Cannes handling aka Sky Valet bought the handling part of the Paris outfit already.. teardown starting. this after Gestair... money money money ....where are you from ?
