Male Cabin Attendants - Your Experience/Knowledge.
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Male Cabin Attendants - Your Experience/Knowledge/Thoughts?
Hi Everyone,
I have been fortunate to chat to a couple of people by PM on here, and they have been very informative. But, I would be interested to know the wider corporate/private communities thoughts on this subject.
I want to make the move from commercial/scheduled flying, into the corporate/private world. I have been doing as much research and looking into doing some stuff to enhance my skills as I can. I have been browsing the internet, looking at job listings when they come up etc... Of course, a high percentage of them are in the middle east, which is fine, apart from a lot of them specify female applicants only, so immediately they are out. I am probably not quite ready to start applying for any positions yet, as I think some things may be better, personally, in about 6 months or so, so this is all for research and future planning/thinking.
I am aware, through a friend and a contact, of a couple of male CC and at least that gives an indication that it is indeed possible to get a position as a male applicant, but it still seems to be a very uncommon role for a man.
I would be very grateful if any of you ladies or gents would be able to share your experience of male attendants working on your aircraft? Directly employed by owners? Through management companies such as TAG?
Are there more men out there than I seem to believe?
I appreciate most of you have a much higher degree of interest in the metal and how it flies, but I would really appreciate your input.
Warm Regards,
TS
I have been fortunate to chat to a couple of people by PM on here, and they have been very informative. But, I would be interested to know the wider corporate/private communities thoughts on this subject.
I want to make the move from commercial/scheduled flying, into the corporate/private world. I have been doing as much research and looking into doing some stuff to enhance my skills as I can. I have been browsing the internet, looking at job listings when they come up etc... Of course, a high percentage of them are in the middle east, which is fine, apart from a lot of them specify female applicants only, so immediately they are out. I am probably not quite ready to start applying for any positions yet, as I think some things may be better, personally, in about 6 months or so, so this is all for research and future planning/thinking.
I am aware, through a friend and a contact, of a couple of male CC and at least that gives an indication that it is indeed possible to get a position as a male applicant, but it still seems to be a very uncommon role for a man.
I would be very grateful if any of you ladies or gents would be able to share your experience of male attendants working on your aircraft? Directly employed by owners? Through management companies such as TAG?
Are there more men out there than I seem to believe?
I appreciate most of you have a much higher degree of interest in the metal and how it flies, but I would really appreciate your input.
Warm Regards,
TS
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Hi TS,
Welcome in the vibrant world that is called private aviation.
It was an inhospittable environment for the male cabin crew species but finally things are slowly changing.
For various reasons, many owners/operators/brokers always favoured the female type on board of their aircraft.
Yes, they are often blondes and hail from eastern Europe, indeed lots of them don't even speak English properly and yes, they lack any form of basic culinary skills...........................BUT THEY LOOK GOOD!
Maybe a little over the top but still pretty close to reality, this is what you are often up against, eyecandy.
Funny enough, alot of (charter) clients don't care about gender, they just want great service,a professional attitude and a careless experience.
Ofcourse there are a number of male f/a's around, sometimes even specifically scouted because the jealous missus doesn't care for the eycandy hubbie is flying around with.....
Both in the ME and Russia the eyecandy-factor is still dominant, you would therefore be better off in the US-Europe to find employment.
The emphasis for f/a's has recently shifted somewhat from just good looks to content/background/education and culinary skills.
Therefore make sure you are well-groomed, utterly flexible, trained in the culinary field and willing to put in long hours compared to commercial aviation.
Good luck landing your first job, it will come!
Welcome in the vibrant world that is called private aviation.
It was an inhospittable environment for the male cabin crew species but finally things are slowly changing.
For various reasons, many owners/operators/brokers always favoured the female type on board of their aircraft.
Yes, they are often blondes and hail from eastern Europe, indeed lots of them don't even speak English properly and yes, they lack any form of basic culinary skills...........................BUT THEY LOOK GOOD!
Maybe a little over the top but still pretty close to reality, this is what you are often up against, eyecandy.
Funny enough, alot of (charter) clients don't care about gender, they just want great service,a professional attitude and a careless experience.
Ofcourse there are a number of male f/a's around, sometimes even specifically scouted because the jealous missus doesn't care for the eycandy hubbie is flying around with.....
Both in the ME and Russia the eyecandy-factor is still dominant, you would therefore be better off in the US-Europe to find employment.
The emphasis for f/a's has recently shifted somewhat from just good looks to content/background/education and culinary skills.
Therefore make sure you are well-groomed, utterly flexible, trained in the culinary field and willing to put in long hours compared to commercial aviation.
Good luck landing your first job, it will come!
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Hi silverware,
Thank you for your very helpful reply.
I already work scheduled/commercial in First, almost every sector, and already have a degree of food skills from that and, without tooting my own horn, I do love what I do and it shows. I am always impeccable and presented exceptionally well.
In all honesty, the fact that most ME and Russian principals/operators prefer females, as you state primarily based on looks, is not a great loss. I am not a fan of the ME or Russia. Fine for working trips too, but being based there is not something I would be massively keen on. Of course, if that would lead to the only employment opportunities, then I would obviously strongly consider if for the employment, but Europe is preferable.
I will keep exploring all avenues, and I again appreciate your response.
Warm Regards,
TS
Thank you for your very helpful reply.
I already work scheduled/commercial in First, almost every sector, and already have a degree of food skills from that and, without tooting my own horn, I do love what I do and it shows. I am always impeccable and presented exceptionally well.
In all honesty, the fact that most ME and Russian principals/operators prefer females, as you state primarily based on looks, is not a great loss. I am not a fan of the ME or Russia. Fine for working trips too, but being based there is not something I would be massively keen on. Of course, if that would lead to the only employment opportunities, then I would obviously strongly consider if for the employment, but Europe is preferable.
I will keep exploring all avenues, and I again appreciate your response.
Warm Regards,
TS
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I'd say that you'd have a good chance in the middle-east, where there is a much higher percentage of male FAs, due to the Islamic views on opposite sexes being alone in small spaces.
Elsewhere, I guess you're competing with the trolly dollies. Think about what sets you apart - why should an a/c owner or charter operator hire you instead of more totty?
Good luck
Elsewhere, I guess you're competing with the trolly dollies. Think about what sets you apart - why should an a/c owner or charter operator hire you instead of more totty?
Good luck
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Thanks Booglebox...
I had always thought the opposite of the middle east. Always that it was very female centric, especially blonde and "buxom"... I had sort of dismissed the ME due to that, but will bring it more to the fore of my investigations within my realms of searching.
I will certainly, as I said in the OP, that I will be doing some skill building, especially on the catering front of things etc...
But, thank you for the thoughts, it is appreciated.
Warm Regards,
TS
I had always thought the opposite of the middle east. Always that it was very female centric, especially blonde and "buxom"... I had sort of dismissed the ME due to that, but will bring it more to the fore of my investigations within my realms of searching.
I will certainly, as I said in the OP, that I will be doing some skill building, especially on the catering front of things etc...
But, thank you for the thoughts, it is appreciated.
Warm Regards,
TS
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Having spent many years in the ME I would suggest that you may have got it slightly wrong.
The males there are more than happy to be in close proximity to a good looking female, they just don't want thier women to be in ANY proximity to a male, good looking or otherwise.
The males there are more than happy to be in close proximity to a good looking female, they just don't want thier women to be in ANY proximity to a male, good looking or otherwise.
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NuName: that makes sense and I may well have got it wrong... it's just my personal experience that approx. bit less than half the aircraft I've been involved with in the middle east have a male F/A.
Especially prevalent among the royals, even the lesser ones (of which, as you know, there are many)
Thanks for the input though
Especially prevalent among the royals, even the lesser ones (of which, as you know, there are many)
Thanks for the input though
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Interesting Topic
This is something I too have been thinking about for a while now so will follow this thread with interest.
I have lots of contacts etc in the world of corporate aviation but opportunities for guys are like gold dust.
I have one question though, is there a "shelf life" for a male flight attendant?
Ladies for example aren't recruited if they are over 35, so what's the chance for a guy over 40?
I have lots of contacts etc in the world of corporate aviation but opportunities for guys are like gold dust.
I have one question though, is there a "shelf life" for a male flight attendant?
Ladies for example aren't recruited if they are over 35, so what's the chance for a guy over 40?
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747flyboy: I would guess that eye-candy attractiveness rating isn't so important (...unless the client is so inclined) so the age ceiling is a bit higher. But this is mostly a guess.
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I have over 4 1/2 yrs as Captain with Saudi Special Flights...(the Royal Flight)...It's a fairly large fleet...I was hired for the only 727 that was on the property in 1996, as the only Captain...
Our F/A was a male from Saudi Airlines...always the same one...only when we had one of the "wives" on board, did we augment with a Female F/A...
However, when flying the Sheikh's 727, I had only Female F/A's, althugh that was his choice...after working with Khalid on the Royal Flt., MY opinion is there is nothing wrong with a professional male F/A...Professional being the operative word...
Good Luck...If you land a job, you'll do fine...
As an afterthought, try to check in with Mutt over on the Mideast Forum...he's on the ground there and pretty clued in...
Our F/A was a male from Saudi Airlines...always the same one...only when we had one of the "wives" on board, did we augment with a Female F/A...
However, when flying the Sheikh's 727, I had only Female F/A's, althugh that was his choice...after working with Khalid on the Royal Flt., MY opinion is there is nothing wrong with a professional male F/A...Professional being the operative word...
Good Luck...If you land a job, you'll do fine...
As an afterthought, try to check in with Mutt over on the Mideast Forum...he's on the ground there and pretty clued in...
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I have clients that have used male F/A for a variety of different reasons. I know of one male F/A on a Gulfstream that helps sling bags (not many women strong enough) and is used as ground driver / body guard. Others have used male F/A because of jealous wives and still others because of culinary skills. For any private gig, I think its helpful if you have many different skills as that helps the owners enhance the experience and lower the bills!
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Thanks aerochip,
Quite frankly, after the trip I have just done, I think I would be more than capable of taking anything thrown at me... Quite literally.
I don't mind some manual work, have full driving license and the lot, so I suppose I can add all that into my repartee...
Quite frankly, after the trip I have just done, I think I would be more than capable of taking anything thrown at me... Quite literally.
I don't mind some manual work, have full driving license and the lot, so I suppose I can add all that into my repartee...
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I thought it best to ask this question on here instead of starting a whole new thread just to ask the question, as I can not see any answers from several searches...
I have just applied for a couple of positions with NetJets Europe, and have gone through the long process of filling in their online application form and uploading my CV, which of course is good as all details are saved now...
Does anyone have experience of applications made online with NetJets?
Once you have clicked "Apply" next to a position, it shows "Application On Hold" in the "My Applications" section at the top, however, no confirmation of the application is sen via e-mail or shows online. Is all well and good if it shows as "on hold"?
I have just applied for a couple of positions with NetJets Europe, and have gone through the long process of filling in their online application form and uploading my CV, which of course is good as all details are saved now...
Does anyone have experience of applications made online with NetJets?
Once you have clicked "Apply" next to a position, it shows "Application On Hold" in the "My Applications" section at the top, however, no confirmation of the application is sen via e-mail or shows online. Is all well and good if it shows as "on hold"?
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We have about 150 VIP cabin and the ratio is 1-2 male females, but all males are indigenous. Judging by local FBO's, the role is majorly staffed by female's.
I would suggest trying NasAir, Aviation Link, Mideast Jet or Midroc as they are operators of larger aircraft.
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I would suggest trying NasAir, Aviation Link, Mideast Jet or Midroc as they are operators of larger aircraft.
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NJE has been hiring FAs "recently" and I wouldn't be surprised if NJE doesn't hire some more "soon". The last batch all lived in the UK.
Even those on the "inside" have to use that system to apply for fleet changes.
Even those on the "inside" have to use that system to apply for fleet changes.