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While a used straight Falcon 50 would work, having eight passengers in a 50 for its maximum range, would be uncomfortable for them.
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6500nm w/1 stop
Correct, but I thought we were talking about 700NM and 1400NM missions with 8 pax??
Read post #33 from the op in its entirety. They already purchased the Westwind and have been operating it for their 700 and 1400nm trips. They are now looking for something to do 6500nm with one stop.
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Can you get ADSB fitted to a 2/3?
Having said that, I think I read that the FAA will only mandate ADS-B compliance from 2020. In this case it might not be a factor here.
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The OP never said where destination C will be but at 6500NM I'm pretty sure it will get him outside of FAA land. It may be prudent for him to take in consideration all of the upcoming avionics upgrades. ADS-B, TCAS 7.1. etc...
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No but STCs don't yet exist to retrofit over 80% of the biz jets currently flying either. Seven years is a long time in technology, like say the entire life span of the Iphone line. I suspect a Planeview type retrofit will eventually become available for the AC powered GIIIs, but who can say for sure.
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GIV is probably your best bet, but Tay overhauls are $2m+ per pair. You can get lots of airplane for $4m - $4.5m in a GIV. Falcon 900B will also give you lots of value and the range you need. I'd stay away from GII/GIII due to issues related to noise, FANS, and ever-increasing operating cost.
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Wendy's IVSP needs mid-lifes not overhauls. My research puts Tay non-corporate care ML costs between $260K and $500K per engine, I threw out the highest and lowest quotes and came up with $300-400 per engine.
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I need to correct myself on the upgrade path to ADS-B out for a GIII. This unit that I posted as an example earlier 1982 GULFSTREAM III Jet Aircraft For Sale At Controller.com in fact has the Honeywell Epic Primus cockpit upgrade and Honeywell states they do have an ADS-B out solution available.
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Unfortunately, I have nothing that I can add to this discussion to the OP, however, an absolutely fascinating thread. An absolute pleasure to read a serious thread, that has not gone "off piste", informative and something I have learned a lot from.
Good luck to the OP with the next phase.
Good luck to the OP with the next phase.
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I think in this market the thing to do is hit every G-IV(SP) owner that is willing to listen with an offer contingent upon inspection and see if anybody is in the mood to deal. A GIII can be the backup plan as it looks like even the best examples are likely to be available for extended periods.
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Aerochip you are quite right. I went back to my notes and realized the first provider I had talked to about that aircraft had suggested swapping to freshly mid-lifed engines not mid-lifing the engines on that airframe. That is probably why he had given me the highest cost, $500K per engine. I then mistakenly asked the other providers for ballpark numbers to mid-life Tays. So there we have it either $1M to swap to engines that can be run ten years until overhaul(hours will never be an issue with our usage) or $2M or so to overhaul the existing. Swap sounds pretty good, now if Wendy's could just be convinced to take a haircut on their ask for an immediate cash sale.
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Wendy's owns via Netjet shares of
Sovereign N377QS
Excel N580QS
G200 N731QS
G-IXSP N394TR originally belonged to Triarc (Arby's parent) before the merger of Wendy's and Triarc in 2008 created Wendy's/Arby's Group Inc. N394TR has been for sale since the summer of 2011 shortly after Arby's was sold to Roark Capital and Wendy's consolidated all management functions to Dublin, OH. Wendy's has essentially zero international business with only 300 locations outside of the USA, compared to BK with 4000+ and MCD with 17000+. Since N394TR has only racked up about 500 or so odd hours since 2011 with almost none in 2013, I would say it is safe to assume Wendy's has no use for a large cabin jet.
Sovereign N377QS
Excel N580QS
G200 N731QS
G-IXSP N394TR originally belonged to Triarc (Arby's parent) before the merger of Wendy's and Triarc in 2008 created Wendy's/Arby's Group Inc. N394TR has been for sale since the summer of 2011 shortly after Arby's was sold to Roark Capital and Wendy's consolidated all management functions to Dublin, OH. Wendy's has essentially zero international business with only 300 locations outside of the USA, compared to BK with 4000+ and MCD with 17000+. Since N394TR has only racked up about 500 or so odd hours since 2011 with almost none in 2013, I would say it is safe to assume Wendy's has no use for a large cabin jet.
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Hey Trimup, it sounds like you have a very realistic manner in evaluating your flying needs. Check your PM, we may have a program that makes a lot of sense for an owner such as yourself.
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Jesus, Wendy's are only asking 3.995m for Christ's sake!! Want more do you want? Its currently some 2m less than market!!!!
......and talk to the guys at Dallas Airmotive regarding the Tays! Simples.
......and talk to the guys at Dallas Airmotive regarding the Tays! Simples.