was it left visible on an open computer page or printed out? Just curious as to the provenence! Good question. The stuff I see in crew room printers and download folders on PUBLIC computers never stops to amaze me!! By the way, deleting downloaded files is not enough, you have to delete the files from the trash can as wel....l
This isn't an aircraft accident investigation. If I warned everybody how to avoid carelessness in leaving things on computers and in crew lounges, I'd miss out on a lot of interesting reads!
I did read that the gateways were frozen for the time. I was generalizing for all of us, as every pilot will be impacted by this ruling if they work for a company in another country and have a "base." Every company will be impacted as well. Imagine the nightmare situation for a large company with many employees spread all over the EU
Dead right. I was employed in Luxembourg a few years ago. Asking the same question to Revenue Services would give result in different information, every guy had his opinion, had even to employ a lawyer at one stage...
This makes the Nobelprize an even bigger joke. How on Earth could one pack 20+ coutries in on bag and not get at least social and financial laws sorted before. This can`t and doesn`t work and won´t in the future. I would really like to leave, but where to ?
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NetJets Europe Plans To Reduce Pilot Staff by a Third Despite the outward appearance of growth with the recent announcement about the addition of Bombardier Global 6000s to its fleet, NetJets Europe is seeking further voluntary redundancies from its pilot workforce in response to prolonged softening in demand for fractional shares and jet cards, the company confirmed. It has begun a consultation process with flight crews, repeating an exercise that it embarked on three years ago at the height of the financial crisis. “In 2009, due to the global economic environment, we launched a voluntary options program to manage excess crew levels at NetJets Europe due to a decrease in flight demand,” NetJets Europe told AIN. “Forecasts indicate that market growth will not resume to previous levels for a number of years. To align our crewing levels with customer demand, we have put forward a voluntary redundancy proposal to our pilots and are undergoing a consultation process. As this is an internal matter, it would be inappropriate to comment further at this stage.” The options offered to pilots in 2009 included long- and short-term leave of absence, job sharing, part-time work or voluntary redundancy. At the time, this approach achieved the company’s goal of reducing flight crew capacity by 60,000 pilot duty days per year. Back then, it employed 1,046 pilots, and 87 of these took voluntary redundancy with many more opting for job sharing. Sources close to NetJets’ flight crew have told AIN that NetJets Europe is seeking to reduce its payroll to around 650 pilots, an approximate one-third cut.
I must say that this hard for the gateway's involved but on the other hand a very balanced approach by NJE. After 2008 they were very reluctant in firing people while everybody was firing left right and centre... Speaking to NJ pilots at fbo's I was surprised at the little amount of flying they did lately and the high number of PIC's flying together... So people must have seen the writing on the wall..
I doubt you would be singing the same tune, if it was your job on the line.
Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. Anyone who has been in this business long enough has gone through it. There are very few, if any, large enough operators in Europe that have not seen layoffs.
This is the nature of our business, a plane when things go well is a tool to be used extensively, when the sh!t hits the fan, the plan is just a liability and the beancounters like to see it go when the downturn is upon us.
I was solely commenting on the posters who said that based on his loyalty a job was owed to him/her. Time to wake up and smell the coffee, the health of our industry and job security is directly linked to the health of the economy and specifically to the speciality the principal operates in when talking about smaller operators. A large operator like Netjets has to respond to the wider economy it operates in, when belt get tightened, the plane, shared ownership and charters suffer.
what do you know about the "very balanced approach" ???
Having been through the 2008 layoffs and seeing people around me fired who had just paid up to 40K (!!) for an unusable TR on a Citation III or similar I feel that a company that kept on people for another 4 years through a recession with large overcapacity fairly balanced
The fact that they target certain employees in certain countries is not nice but at the same time looking at the countries selected I can understand it... So yes: very balanced (but not nice for the people involved!)
Well if you are a captain just go. Then there would only be 127 captains needed to leave. The problem as we know we over recruited because of a load of idiots from previous managements, and they left this lot with a plate of sh@t. Cuts are happening all over the job markets it's just unfortunate for those it's affects. If it wasn't those 128 it would be another 128. And remember there will be 500 other crew hoping this company survives so they can make a living. It's a sad man who wishes the downfall of netjets. Not saying you do but you have opions. Why the end of netjets then?
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You are not at the wrong gateway. Anyone can leave it's just that you won't the get redundancy money. You just want your cake and eat it. If it's so bad just leave and give someone else a chance. This company can hopefully turn it's self around. We are going back to where we were 6 years ago before the maniacs in the asylum took over, and now we have a sensible outlook. No it's not going to be the same during the growth period but that's life. I still like this company and want it to work so I and others will profit from employment.
If You know the business model you would not be asking Why Why Why Catering Travel etc in Lisbon, I think the thread has got off track.
Its a total shame whats going on, any other company would have cut the crew years ago with the slightest hint of reductions. Im afraid its time to face the music they are struggling and need to cut back in all areas. Lots of senior management have gone already, I do not agree with the methods used to select the redundancies and given this it will be challenged in the european decree of employment laws.
I was always surprised that NJE treated the subject of redundancies so compassionately, and provided crews with so many options. Their business, like so many others, has declined to such an extent that there would now appear to be less room for compassion.
For many this will be sad, but in the long run I suspect it will have benefits for the whole industry. NJE pilots are, I believe, better trained than most, and their introduction to the job market will most likely pull up the standards of GA.
Had the opportunity to work with a few NJE pilots, some amazing, some with a self bestowed over blown sense of entitlement to jobs based on 'experience' with NJE. Some I wouldnt allow to pilot me on a gondola in a canal with divers in the water and a rescue chopper overhead. Yes same parent company owns Flight Safety but why does that make any difference to how they fly a jet than someone self funded or through another organisation?
Hope they are not cutting back on maintenance in the same way as some are speculating as to PIC employment however the DA2000 I saw spluttering earlier at EGLF earlier, wouldnt touch them with a barge pole. I am no engineer but christ, backfiring engines like that has to be something of a wake up call!