Business Aviation Asia (BAA)
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I too have been talking to a recruiter about interviewing in the very near future. Trying to get some information on pay/schedules for the Legacy. Can't find much...
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BAA from someone who has worked there
I have been in Corporate Aviation for 30 years and worked for companies in the Middle East and Asia. So I have worked for heavy hitters privately and large management companies of different cultural background.
As a Training Captain, I can say that I address issues that some companies prefer to cut corners on the grounds of costs. BAA are totally opposite. The rule are there to be followed and all aircraft irrespective of registration are run to the Chinese regulations. Meaning, even part 91 aircraft have flight and duty time limitations.
During my contract with BAA I never witnessed a hassle with regulations, payment of expenses, staying in hotels less than excellent and I never experienced management with an competitive controlling attitude that is so common in other companies today.
BAA is run as an airline, meaning it doesn't have a personality that changes everyday like that of other companies.
The company communicates with you regarding trips and after the flight is complete, the emails and phone calls stop. Some guys call the office to see if everyone is still there. Some pilots fly 5 times a month whilst other 15 / 20.
BAA went through a period of growth a few years back where things were not working too well but they learnt from this period and acknowledge it. They now have around 70 aircraft and allot of foreign pilots. Simply because the business jet industry is booming and local pilots are 99% airline pilots. Chinese owners buy brand new aircraft, not used and so you get to fly awesome equipment.
I have seen pilots come in from flying commuters and 3 years later have been upgraded on 2 business jet types. BAA don't play games with your vacation, crew training or scheduled time off. In fact, every month you get a letter to say "thank you for all you efforts this month " and your salary is in your account. They pay all taxes so this to is addressed.
If you want a career in Business Jets and a company that will give you , the guy with NO RATING , a break, BAA is the place to advance your career. Be prepared to put in the time in China and you will get a rating on a Gulfstream or Bombardier product and in 5 years be rated as a Captain. Who else will do that for you.
To get the Chinese ATPL takes 2 weeks of study and the result is automatic the minute you select SUBMIT at the end of the test. The Chinese medical is the main issue. It takes 2 days and is not easy so many foreign pilots fail for a number of reasons. BP is 140 / 90 which is lower than the FAA.
After these are complete, you go to school on your aircraft and your sim check ride is under the Chinese regulations. You now have a Chinese ATPL. The complete process is 3 weeks plus initial or recurrent training.
Pilots are definitely not leaving in masses at this company. They are a professional company with more than 70 aircraft , 60 mechanics to support the aircraft and BAA are very particular who's aircraft they take on as a managed project.
Definitely do not talk to anyone except Caleb in BAA Shenzhen or Ricky Leung in BAA Hong Kong. Stay well away from all agencies as they have ripped off many foreigners in the past and some of the present pilots there can tell you how they went the wrong way and got burnt with an agency.
One thing BAA has which is not common, is they are loyal to the pilots who are loyal to them. Do your job, be professional and you will be rewarded with a rating on a long haul aircraft that no one else will give you.
The salaries are certainly market price and way above Deer Jet who is just not in the same league.
Given the opportunity, I would go back to BAA for the remainder of my career knowing that it is a low hassle, professionally run working environment. Something that can not be said for allot of companies that simply get caught up in there own self importance rather than working as a team.
As a Training Captain, I can say that I address issues that some companies prefer to cut corners on the grounds of costs. BAA are totally opposite. The rule are there to be followed and all aircraft irrespective of registration are run to the Chinese regulations. Meaning, even part 91 aircraft have flight and duty time limitations.
During my contract with BAA I never witnessed a hassle with regulations, payment of expenses, staying in hotels less than excellent and I never experienced management with an competitive controlling attitude that is so common in other companies today.
BAA is run as an airline, meaning it doesn't have a personality that changes everyday like that of other companies.
The company communicates with you regarding trips and after the flight is complete, the emails and phone calls stop. Some guys call the office to see if everyone is still there. Some pilots fly 5 times a month whilst other 15 / 20.
BAA went through a period of growth a few years back where things were not working too well but they learnt from this period and acknowledge it. They now have around 70 aircraft and allot of foreign pilots. Simply because the business jet industry is booming and local pilots are 99% airline pilots. Chinese owners buy brand new aircraft, not used and so you get to fly awesome equipment.
I have seen pilots come in from flying commuters and 3 years later have been upgraded on 2 business jet types. BAA don't play games with your vacation, crew training or scheduled time off. In fact, every month you get a letter to say "thank you for all you efforts this month " and your salary is in your account. They pay all taxes so this to is addressed.
If you want a career in Business Jets and a company that will give you , the guy with NO RATING , a break, BAA is the place to advance your career. Be prepared to put in the time in China and you will get a rating on a Gulfstream or Bombardier product and in 5 years be rated as a Captain. Who else will do that for you.
To get the Chinese ATPL takes 2 weeks of study and the result is automatic the minute you select SUBMIT at the end of the test. The Chinese medical is the main issue. It takes 2 days and is not easy so many foreign pilots fail for a number of reasons. BP is 140 / 90 which is lower than the FAA.
After these are complete, you go to school on your aircraft and your sim check ride is under the Chinese regulations. You now have a Chinese ATPL. The complete process is 3 weeks plus initial or recurrent training.
Pilots are definitely not leaving in masses at this company. They are a professional company with more than 70 aircraft , 60 mechanics to support the aircraft and BAA are very particular who's aircraft they take on as a managed project.
Definitely do not talk to anyone except Caleb in BAA Shenzhen or Ricky Leung in BAA Hong Kong. Stay well away from all agencies as they have ripped off many foreigners in the past and some of the present pilots there can tell you how they went the wrong way and got burnt with an agency.
One thing BAA has which is not common, is they are loyal to the pilots who are loyal to them. Do your job, be professional and you will be rewarded with a rating on a long haul aircraft that no one else will give you.
The salaries are certainly market price and way above Deer Jet who is just not in the same league.
Given the opportunity, I would go back to BAA for the remainder of my career knowing that it is a low hassle, professionally run working environment. Something that can not be said for allot of companies that simply get caught up in there own self importance rather than working as a team.
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Non Rated F/O Vacancies
Has anyone went successfully trough their Non Rated F/O program?
I'll be short for a while on the Jet hours, but looking forward to give it a shot when able...
I'll be short for a while on the Jet hours, but looking forward to give it a shot when able...
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It's great to finally hear some positive reviews about a company from guys that have been there. Are all the horror stories about the CAAC medical true or has it gotten better?
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... Still horror on the mainland. In fact, it's worse. You get a CT scan each year from what I hear... This is along with all the other stuff like the treadmill, blood, work etc.
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Anyone able to help?
Hi All,
Following my 3rd redundancy in as many years in the European BizJet market, and as a result of a second period of 9months+ of unemployment with only sporadic freelance flying to keep my hand in and the bank barely balanced my lovely lady and I are considering a change of tack. I have applied to every airline and BizJet operator from London to Honolulu and back again with little success, so now my lady is going start wearing the trousers! She is a teacher and has worked successfully in the past in International schools around the world. So as opposed to sitting on our hands waiting for my next job to fall in our laps, hers will instead take the lead. As it is playing out it looks like that may take us to Shanghai in the summer of this year! So my question is, now that we have a likely location for our move, can anyone help me with a FO post in Shanghai/Asia in General? I have tried to contact Caleb, but am still awaiting a response. I have 5 years experience on Citation XL's totalling 1400hrs, over 1000hrs of that on jet. 3 years with Netjets Europe, 1 with London Exec Aviation and 1 with a smaller UK based operator.
Thanks very much in advance!
Rob
Following my 3rd redundancy in as many years in the European BizJet market, and as a result of a second period of 9months+ of unemployment with only sporadic freelance flying to keep my hand in and the bank barely balanced my lovely lady and I are considering a change of tack. I have applied to every airline and BizJet operator from London to Honolulu and back again with little success, so now my lady is going start wearing the trousers! She is a teacher and has worked successfully in the past in International schools around the world. So as opposed to sitting on our hands waiting for my next job to fall in our laps, hers will instead take the lead. As it is playing out it looks like that may take us to Shanghai in the summer of this year! So my question is, now that we have a likely location for our move, can anyone help me with a FO post in Shanghai/Asia in General? I have tried to contact Caleb, but am still awaiting a response. I have 5 years experience on Citation XL's totalling 1400hrs, over 1000hrs of that on jet. 3 years with Netjets Europe, 1 with London Exec Aviation and 1 with a smaller UK based operator.
Thanks very much in advance!
Rob
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I think the 10 day interview is mostly about giving them wiggle room for the medical. I think you come over and do the first part of the medical and then work on the ATP written and a few other random tasks. Once your blood work comes back you will do the second half of the medical check and you should be done. They usually schedule it for 10 days in case you have some trouble with the medical and have to retest. Retesting is common and nothing to worry about. BAA does not have 70 aircraft. Its about 42 at the moment. Using an outside contractor is NOT the worst thing you could do. I work with one and am happy. WASINC is the worst, stay away but everyone should know that by now! For those that have been screwing around with Caleb and aren't getting anywhere you might consider working with a middle man. Caleb sucks and can be hard to work with. He literally has mental problems so using a contract company might be beneficial in that they know how to work with his metal issues and you don't risk doing or saying something stupid.
Oh, ATP shouldn't take you two weeks to study for if you have ever been taught how to study and have the discipline to sit down, not drink, and read the material. Its true though, there is an element of luck to it.
Oh, ATP shouldn't take you two weeks to study for if you have ever been taught how to study and have the discipline to sit down, not drink, and read the material. Its true though, there is an element of luck to it.
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Rob - a colleague and I had an email exchange with Dave at WASINC last year about jobs out there with an Excel/XLS rating, the problem you have is that your licence firstly needs to be validated in China on your current type, then you're free to transfer to another type as required, but unfortunately there appears to be no Excel/XLS aircraft operated commercially (when he and I communicated) to enable the CAAC to validate your licence on this type, so you're scuppered. Seems hard to believe I know.
That's the reason job listings out there specify a rating on certain types when it may not necessarily be the type you're applying for or will eventually operate. I hope I've explained that well enough and of course things may have changed since last year in regard to Citations in the region.
With an Excel/XLS rating on your licence and job hunting in Europe, you're definitely right to let your other half take the lead!
That's the reason job listings out there specify a rating on certain types when it may not necessarily be the type you're applying for or will eventually operate. I hope I've explained that well enough and of course things may have changed since last year in regard to Citations in the region.
With an Excel/XLS rating on your licence and job hunting in Europe, you're definitely right to let your other half take the lead!
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Headsup - Possible phishing scam?
Hello all.
I received an unsolicited email from 'Northern America, Pilot Recruiting' Regional Manager of BAA, requesting further information, including copies of licence and passport. A surprising request for an unsolicited evaluation.
Alarm bells are going off in my head right now, as some of the email content simply doesn't add up. In particular, the return email address of the 'Regional Manager' is a personal address.
Anyone else encountered this?
Hello all.
I received an unsolicited email from 'Northern America, Pilot Recruiting' Regional Manager of BAA, requesting further information, including copies of licence and passport. A surprising request for an unsolicited evaluation.
Alarm bells are going off in my head right now, as some of the email content simply doesn't add up. In particular, the return email address of the 'Regional Manager' is a personal address.
Anyone else encountered this?
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I red the tread and it seems its the only place you can get some information on BAA. I got an interview coming in 10 days in China for Lineage 1000 FO position, so I'm looking for any suggestions on resources to study. I've been studying Gleim's ATP prep for the CAAC so far. Anyone who has gone through the process recently, or has any suggestions? It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Guys!
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NTR FO recruitment
Hi folks,
Anyone that give me the pulse of the situation when it comes to "junior" positions like those in the subject?
I got the picture from their website regarding requirements etc. If they go by the book, then I shall forget it for the next...1000 hrs on jet and hurry to move into one!
I have 1000 light TP EASA and FAA certificates (fATPL and FAA written pass), tho. Useless?
Also is it CAAC still a nightmare to pass? mild HBP but well controlled with light drug. Another show-stopper?
Thanks for your responses!
PZ
Anyone that give me the pulse of the situation when it comes to "junior" positions like those in the subject?
I got the picture from their website regarding requirements etc. If they go by the book, then I shall forget it for the next...1000 hrs on jet and hurry to move into one!
I have 1000 light TP EASA and FAA certificates (fATPL and FAA written pass), tho. Useless?
Also is it CAAC still a nightmare to pass? mild HBP but well controlled with light drug. Another show-stopper?
Thanks for your responses!
PZ
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They are very stringent on the medical, With HBP they will find it and send you home. You really need Jet time for a f/o job with BAA. Keep on clocking up the turbo prop time.
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I just got one as well.. It didnt ask for an personal information, however it's from a gmail address. Guys name is Luke Lee. The email listed in the signature is a baa email address though. Sort of odd.
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Any BAA Pilots out there?
Hey, I'm looking for some BAA pilots out there. I just went they the Screening process and got a job offer, but would like to get some current info from people who are currently on the property.
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Hey Wooky,
I go out there for the CL850 Captain position on Oct. 8. Tell me how your experience was. I'm a little sketchy about this, so any info would be a great help.
Bryan.
I go out there for the CL850 Captain position on Oct. 8. Tell me how your experience was. I'm a little sketchy about this, so any info would be a great help.
Bryan.