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Old 7th Aug 2011, 17:23   #1 (permalink)
 
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Pilatus PC 24 - new GA aircraft

Pilatus Unveils PC-24 | AVIATION WEEK

Do you have any news about this? On some swiss forum they speculate, it will be twin.
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Old 7th Aug 2011, 18:15   #2 (permalink)
 
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pc24

Fair assumption it double a PC 12 so it will be twice as big with 2 of what the PC12 has including engines maybe#

We will wait and see#####

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Old 7th Aug 2011, 18:58   #3 (permalink)
 
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Pilatus announced in April allready, that the PC24 will be a twinengined Jet.

ONZ Obwalden und Nidwalden Zeitung - Ein Business-Jet made in Nidwalden

I have been in Stans last Week, and somebody told me that they are planning it with a huge Cargo Door. That´s all that I know si far.

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Old 7th Aug 2011, 19:13   #4 (permalink)
 
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Will they dust of the old lear wing???
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Old 8th Aug 2011, 14:23   #5 (permalink)
 
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Is that where the Lear wing came from? I had heard, years ago, that it was a wing for a Swiss fighter that never got built.
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Old 21st Aug 2011, 16:16   #6 (permalink)
 
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Is anyone able to substantiate the cargo door and an idea of a time frame? I've been told in a round about way that first delivery will be in 5 years. Is this the case?
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Old 21st Aug 2011, 19:28   #7 (permalink)
 
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SWiss aircraft

Yes I think the original LearJet was based on a swiss fighter called the FFAP-16, to be used for ground attack.
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Old 6th Jan 2012, 06:11   #8 (permalink)
 
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PC-24

I too was over there in Stans last year, and spoke to a number of the marketing team, who I might add were quite tight-lipped. However, they told me that it would be a twin jet, with a large cargo door and aimed at a niche market. From that, I guessed that it would likely have some kind of rough field performance and possibly be some kind of enlarged PC-12.

I've since read in the aviation press that Pilatus are looking to develop the Grob SPN design. Who knows what will be the end result. Speculation is a wonderful thing don't you think?

One thing is for certain - Pilatus are a clever company and don't jump into anything lightly. They have a canny ability to provide niche aircraft that work, so I have no doubt they'll manage it again with the '24. Having said that, it would be a brave CEO to authorize a new-design business jet in this economic climate. They'll have to pull out all stops to make it special.

I'm waiting so see it, but won't be surprised if it is delayed a few years...
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Western ops RFDS to be a launch customer!

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Old 22nd May 2012, 15:59   #10 (permalink)


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Hey guys I am new in this forum, a lot of interesting topics. I have worked several years at Pilatus and on the -24. It is funny how some marketing people may be tight, you would be able to get much more info simply asking the people in Stans or Buochs at the local supermarkets.
Anyway, it has been officially stated that the 2013 EBACE in Geneva will have a PC-24 mock up.
Mr Schwenk would kill to have the RFDS as the launch customer. Same as the PC-12. They may commit for an initial number of aircraft (maybe 2).
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Old 22nd May 2012, 20:31   #11 (permalink)
 
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Gentlemen,

Pilatus is quite desperate...

During this EBACE I saw several Pilatus personnel (badges and all) taking or trying to take pictures of the Embraer Phenom 300. One even was taking a picture of windshield screws with a ruller mesuring the distances...

Embraer guys had a hard time with them...

Probably they are running after that already mentioned twin jet.

Let's wait and see!

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Old 22nd May 2012, 21:31   #12 (permalink)


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At some point we seriously suggested to buy a P300. It would have been a minor investment compared to the program cost. I am glad I am not working there anymore. I have the feeling that the -24 may drag Pilatus down. This is what happens when you put in charge arrogant people that have nothing but a history of failures (Eclipse and ATG Javelin).
The -24 is basically a Phenom 300 with a cargo door.
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Old 23rd May 2012, 07:58   #13 (permalink)
 
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The -24 is basically a Phenom 300 with a cargo door.
That sounds pretty useful actually. As long as it doesn't cost too much.
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Old 23rd May 2012, 15:41   #14 (permalink)


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The PC-12 had an unexpected enormous success. It was estimated to sell 200-250 aircraft. Pilatus sold over a 1000 and in years like 2008 2009 the order portfolio was over 120 aircraft per year.
Part of this success was due to its versatility, short field, cargo door, long range etc..The -12 NG has a fly away price that can top 5M USD.
The question is: is there a marketing need for a jet type bigger PC-12? Is an operator available to double the fly away price? What is the real advantage that an operator would have from a jet?
We need to keep in mind that a business jet with short field unpaved runways capabilities has to be designed ruggedized. This would penalize performances and range and material choice. You cannot use too much secondary composite structure if you want to take off and land from gravel.
In my opinion such a design is very difficult to achieve, Pilatus has a good knowledge of rough operations but absolutely no knowledge of business aviation.
In my opinion we may see a -24 certified design not before than 2018. When Pilatus will start to accept orders we will see how many operators will accept the risk. If there will be less than 100 pre-orders in 2015 the program risks to be seriously scrapped.
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Old 24th May 2012, 03:54   #15 (permalink)
 
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Nato is starting to look for a replacement for the C-12.Expect a large NATO order if the PC-24 can be made for under twenty seven million dollars.
Would probably be fitted with the usual swiss bank account numbers to the exec who is in charge of purchasing
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Old 21st May 2013, 10:27   #16 (permalink)
 
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as expected, single pilot certified, unpaved (!) & short field capable (2690 ft / 820m), Honeywell avionics, "barn-door" access to cargo - a twin jet aimed at the existing pc-12 niche. Rollout scheduled Q3 2014, flight testing Q4, delivery 2017. Options include a 10 seat commuter layout, 6-8 seat "executive", and an air ambulance version.

MTOW 17650 lbs / 8050 kg, Range (4 pax 800 lbs): 1950 nm, Max payload 2500 lbs / 1135 kg

specs: Welcome to Pilatus Aircraft Ltd pdf: http://www.pilatus-aircraft.com/01-a...Fact-Sheet.pdf

orders will be accepted 2014, list price approx. USD 8.9 mill.


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Old 21st May 2013, 12:03   #17 (permalink)
 
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Thanks for the links Deptrai.
The PC-24 is massive for a $9m single-pilot jet. It's a midsize, dwarfs the P300 and CJ4. See the size comparator down the page in Deptrai's first link, the "welcome to Pilatus" one
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Old 21st May 2013, 13:31   #18 (permalink)
 
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Looks good to me I'll take one ...I wish
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Old 21st May 2013, 16:10   #19 (permalink)
 
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Ok I ask again... who needs it ? Really... I can foresee a few niche applications but where it comes to it's unique features a good turboprop can do the job for a much lower price tag (assuming not only purchase price but operational costs)...

I am probably missing something so comments / flame most welcome
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Old 21st May 2013, 17:42   #20 (permalink)
 
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Also one of the very few "build from scratch" aircraft that don't have winglets...

I have the feeling that the Citation XLS, CJ4 and Phenom 300 can do the job already and the PC-24 has no real advantage over those apart from a possibly loyal and wealthy customer base. From what I heard about the PC-12 the quality of the product and materials used are very good and comparing that to the (sometimes...) cheap looking Phenom 300 interiour (Plastic panels, fake leather, easy to scratch tables, galley with fake wood, etc) it might be an advantage.

Apart from that a very sexy looking plane with decent price and specifications...
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