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Global Express Type Rating
Any idea as to the cost of a Global Express type rating, time scale involved etc. Ideally a TRTO in the UK (sent an e-mail to CAE Burgess Hill but haven't received a reply). Appreciate any pointers in the right direction. Many thanks.
Most courses are 23-25 days, including HUD/EVS training. Prices should be in the 50K-65K range, I'm guessing on that one. CAE at DFW, FSI at ILM and Bombardier at CYUL all offer the training. CAE has a sim at Dubai, also.
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I contacted CAE Burgess Hill a month ago for a BD700 type rating. Without any discussion they announced a price of 49000$. You can either try a sim broker in the USA who proposed a type rating for 39000$ with CAE in Dallas if I have a good memory. Try their website: pilotsimbrokers.com. With the Bombardier training center in Montreal it will be around 51000$ but keep in mind they will be able to propose the new global vision cockpit by the end of the year.
Best of luck in your quest
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Best of luck in your quest
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I got my BD 700 TR at Bombardier/Montreal. Good facility but the instructors are a bit eager with the course load and seem to enjoy watching the customer squirm when things begin to get tough at about day 15+.
FSI Wilmington where I attend recurrent perhaps a more relaxed experience for initial. Just my opinion though.
On the other hand, Montreal a much nicer place to be for three weeks.
FSI Wilmington where I attend recurrent perhaps a more relaxed experience for initial. Just my opinion though.
On the other hand, Montreal a much nicer place to be for three weeks.
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3 years ago at Burgess Hill (near Gatwick) it took 21 days (if I remember correctly) $49k + the bumps. They couldn't arrange the circuits, but if you PM me I'll give you some contact details (prices from €12 to 16k)
What's the point, mustang bill? With no jet experience, no operator will put you in a Global seat, type'd or not. Having just done a hiring process with many resumes, I can guarantee, a resume with no significant jet time and a rating stands out like NEON, gets a chuckle and tossed out.
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I agree. IF you have 8,000TT, and five type ratings and 3,000 in, say, the 604 and you have a slew of friends who know you, and then you go buy a global type, you may have a chance.
so 20-30 grand thrown into the dark has little chance of helping you. You would be better off investing in buying the Chief Pilot a Harley and in return he'll let you fly for free.
so 20-30 grand thrown into the dark has little chance of helping you. You would be better off investing in buying the Chief Pilot a Harley and in return he'll let you fly for free.
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mustangbill,
It much depends where you apply.
Chances are close to nil in the US. In Europe though I personally know 4 individuals (2 of them were low timers and had their first job on a GLEX) who could secure GLEX FO job without ANY jet experience.
And I am sure there are others.
galaxy flyer, the way US operators recruit pilots doesn't apply to the rest of the world!
It much depends where you apply.
Chances are close to nil in the US. In Europe though I personally know 4 individuals (2 of them were low timers and had their first job on a GLEX) who could secure GLEX FO job without ANY jet experience.
And I am sure there are others.
galaxy flyer, the way US operators recruit pilots doesn't apply to the rest of the world!
To answer the question--the USAF. Agreed, we recruit differently in the US and I can assure that a rating and no time in type or jet experience, no offer here. And I get around enough to believe that there are exceptions, but they only prove the rule. Why would a person who could afford $50 million planes get a $50 pilots?
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For the same reason that in the airline no one starts flying on a 747, first you learn to fly regional on a 737/320 or for general aviation Lear/citation/rayteon and then you learn how to fly around the globe..
Which flying skills will you learn sitting in a cockpit for 12hrs talking on an HF radio when you would barely understand a Chinese talking in English on a VHF (for this also 10000hrs might not be enough)
Why does people always want to skip all the steps that the others have done!!????
Which flying skills will you learn sitting in a cockpit for 12hrs talking on an HF radio when you would barely understand a Chinese talking in English on a VHF (for this also 10000hrs might not be enough)
Why does people always want to skip all the steps that the others have done!!????
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I'm curious about your story regarding the Global operator you state hired 4 pilots with no jet time. Why didn't they hire the Citation, Hawker, and Learjet pilots who must have wanted those jobs? IF this did occur, there must have been much more to the story.
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Must chime in here.
The Global is not "..a relatively simple airplane". It has quit sophisticated systems much more like an airliner than a small biz jet. However, because of its high automation it is relatively simple to fly and the workload is very low.
Anyone can learn which switch to press but an airman with experience will understand why and what has happened when that switch is pressed and perhaps more importantly what NOT TO DO when things don't happen as expected.
Also, I too know of at least 2 Global FOs hired with less than 1000 hrs TT...in Europe. This probably wouldn't happen in US in my opinion.
Must chime in here.
The Global is not "..a relatively simple airplane". It has quit sophisticated systems much more like an airliner than a small biz jet. However, because of its high automation it is relatively simple to fly and the workload is very low.
Anyone can learn which switch to press but an airman with experience will understand why and what has happened when that switch is pressed and perhaps more importantly what NOT TO DO when things don't happen as expected.
Also, I too know of at least 2 Global FOs hired with less than 1000 hrs TT...in Europe. This probably wouldn't happen in US in my opinion.
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you asked about jet experience, before the USAF I had about 2,000 of light plane experience, mostly flying checks at night. My comment is entirely based on US aviation--a TR without experience isn't get one a job. I just interviewed for new hiring. 103 resumes, no one had less than a 1,000 hours of jet experience, no one didn't have jet PIC time. Again, why bother?
Second, anyone can drive a GX around in the sim and for circuits, experience is what allows one to safely command on on six continents. Do you really want to be with a pilot OEI overwater? Before you say it, I have 4 diversions on the NATS, the USAF is good for something
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you asked about jet experience, before the USAF I had about 2,000 of light plane experience, mostly flying checks at night. My comment is entirely based on US aviation--a TR without experience isn't get one a job. I just interviewed for new hiring. 103 resumes, no one had less than a 1,000 hours of jet experience, no one didn't have jet PIC time. Again, why bother?
Second, anyone can drive a GX around in the sim and for circuits, experience is what allows one to safely command on on six continents. Do you really want to be with a pilot OEI overwater? Before you say it, I have 4 diversions on the NATS, the USAF is good for something
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US and Europe greatly differ with the hiring process and the qualifications.
In scheduled airline world, in US, you need at least an ATP and relevant hours as a minimum to be considered to fly something like A320.
In Europe, with most of the carriers, pilots enter A320 right after the flight school.
Do they have the experience like the 1500hrs guy has?
No, they don't, but usually they do have quite a bit more aviation studies behind them. Does that substitise for the lack of actual air time? In my opinion it completely does not. But this is the way it works here. The history / reason for hiring 200hrs guys right out of aviation college is simple. Europe did not nor we still have such a large general / corporate / flight school aviation than the US has. There were no 2000hrs guys with proper age and backround available.
In business aviation in Europe it is almost the same. Specially with the rapid growth we had during the past 10 years, a lot of new pilots entered, and many of them with very little experience.
I am currently flying GEXs with a F/O who has about 1000 hrs TT.
But he joined our company around 3 years ago with 200 hrs and has already flown little bit (800 hrs) of Falcon and Challenger.
And he is exteamly sharp and motivated and understands that he is actually quite lucky to be sitting on that seat.
Summasummarum, generally speaking I would personally prefer guys with little bit of experience, but it also seems to work this way.
In scheduled airline world, in US, you need at least an ATP and relevant hours as a minimum to be considered to fly something like A320.
In Europe, with most of the carriers, pilots enter A320 right after the flight school.
Do they have the experience like the 1500hrs guy has?
No, they don't, but usually they do have quite a bit more aviation studies behind them. Does that substitise for the lack of actual air time? In my opinion it completely does not. But this is the way it works here. The history / reason for hiring 200hrs guys right out of aviation college is simple. Europe did not nor we still have such a large general / corporate / flight school aviation than the US has. There were no 2000hrs guys with proper age and backround available.
In business aviation in Europe it is almost the same. Specially with the rapid growth we had during the past 10 years, a lot of new pilots entered, and many of them with very little experience.
I am currently flying GEXs with a F/O who has about 1000 hrs TT.
But he joined our company around 3 years ago with 200 hrs and has already flown little bit (800 hrs) of Falcon and Challenger.
And he is exteamly sharp and motivated and understands that he is actually quite lucky to be sitting on that seat.
Summasummarum, generally speaking I would personally prefer guys with little bit of experience, but it also seems to work this way.
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you say..... "Why would a person who could afford $50 million planes get a $50 pilots? GF "
The answer is simple........Because the management companies that are hiring the copilots are CHARGING their clients 10,000 euros a month and PAYING the co-pilots 4,000 euros. This is standard practice and on paper, they are qualified and capable. I know of several co-pilots that have started on the Global withoutjet experience and minimal turboprop exp. They have to learn real quick!
you say..... "Why would a person who could afford $50 million planes get a $50 pilots? GF "
The answer is simple........Because the management companies that are hiring the copilots are CHARGING their clients 10,000 euros a month and PAYING the co-pilots 4,000 euros. This is standard practice and on paper, they are qualified and capable. I know of several co-pilots that have started on the Global withoutjet experience and minimal turboprop exp. They have to learn real quick!