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good education, neutral comments, no wonder why you had waited to post.
Makes just me thinking , why on this thread ? If not close to JR ?
To speak about LFMD, IF any one had ever done it (out of limits landings / Take Off ie non documented), a little bird is telling me, that they should try to stop very soon, or the authorities will stop it for them.
Reading other posts made me want to write here. Believe me, I have nothing to do with JR but I know (a little bit) a couple of people who work there and I know pretty pretty well NJE and how they operate.
What I was briefly trying to say, is that we should not condemn a company from trying to achieve something. As far as I heard, they really have a lot of applicants (in excess of 3000 people applying to work there), and every company has to start somewhere. No company in the world exists out of the air, they always have to be based out of something (yeah, I know, I discovered the powder... )
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they should try to stop very soon, or the authorities will stop it for them
How many times did I think the same...
But, I am not going into more details with that. I wanna keep things simple and straight.
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What I heard was private, which opens a lot of possibilities, and risks, agreed
But if they only fly GA, then that will really open their possibilities a LOT... (not talking about the risks now)
I believe they canīt do that in selling hours of flight (25hrs cards). I think they can do that only if one of the passengers owns a share of the aircraft. If a customer buys a 25hrs card, I donīt think they can do that.
PS - By no means I am making publicity here. Rest assured of that. I gain nothing with that.
Was Banaman not frequenting these pages some time ago. Would be interesting to hear what he has to say about 'recent events' and Banananana Republics future.
There's no denying JB made a success of White Concierge. The investors have seen that, will have made due diligence enquiries and now know far more about him than you or I do. As they tell you at indoc these people don't get rich by being stupid.
Sorry for hijacking this intresting non-topic (excellent and cheap PR) and converting it into a CB / DM praisery or slamathon.
JB had success, right. Everybody has potential if he is supported and trained well and put into the right position. Dont get me too wrong here, but a well trained Janitor is an assett, the heart and soul of every company. Does that mean he will be a good teamleader or manager? Porbably not, but maybe Yes. Who knows.
DM and JB have been proven to be excellent managers in their specific and tailored postions and tasks. What a potential, but then NJE made a mistage (they still do) they promote people by senority and success in their present role, without checking their potential for the next carreer step. And here is what went wrong.
Whiteconsierge (from which I have no clue about its success, never heard of them before, but this is my ignorance and doesnt mean they are no-good. How many employees and budget per year? I have no idea!) seems to be a good stage for a poser. Self-Presentation as part of the business. Well picked, stay there and be happy and drive bad-taste-coloured sportscars.
But dont reach too high, this has proven to be the wrong thing on one occasion and history might repeat itself.
When a thread starts to drift like this it suggests that there's nothing much worth saying about the original topic. Maybe we can wait for the next thrilling development before posting again.
Whilst I believe the choice of aircraft for the philosophy is wrong, unless they employ midget cabin crew, they do have an interesting and dynamic management team. The customer services director Peter Schickling is top of his tree in the world and I know he wouldn't be there if it wasn't well supported and planned so should be a fascinating development.
Just getting back on track here - if they are getting an EU-OPS certificate, albeit in free and easy Portugal (who's oversight seems to have anomalies compared with other EU states), surely flights should be undertaken under public transport rules? In the UK, any form of aircraft management for hire and reward is deemed to be 'public transport' whether block hours 'lease' or 'charter' or fractional when a third party company is running the aircraft for the owner for payment of one kind or another. If anyone recieves payment of any kind for running the aircraft - its public transport, isn't it?
If public transport, then I stand by the fact that you can't fly the aircraft privately when you choose to (unless empty/positioning) and therefore being the Lear 60, with the worse landing performance of almost any business jet, it won't be able to go anywhere unless it's a typical commercial hub airport.
Can someone explain how the JB flights can possibly be 'private' and therfore for example need minimum fire & rescue cover, no security screening for the passengers and leave the field performance down to the captain's discretion rather than what the ops manual dictates?
Good questions indeed and the very questions that have been asked of a Lisbon based fractional operator known for operating their aircraft 'privately' despite multiple ownership and a commercial AOC. I have seen them arrive empty using the aircraft registration as their callsign then leave with passengers under their company callsign.
Funnily enough when such flights are questioned by crew the flights are transferred to someone more compliant and the first crew never asked to do them again.
If you wanted to extend this conversation you could ask about things like fire cover too but maybe you answered the question when you mentioned the country in which they operate.
NO NO NO NO NO NO and once again NO. You are way wide of the mark. When you hear them using the tail number CS-D?? it is GA operations. There is nothing preventing the company operating the aircraft under GA rules and this is usually done for operational reasons. Do you think the INAC would just turn a blind eye to GA operations? No they would not, if they where doing anything wrong they would be told not to do it anymore.
Switched to a "more compliant crew", absolute rubbish.
Fire cover requirements are CLEAR in the operations manual part A, and crews abide by them. If the crews are in any doubt it usually results in a call to the SOF and they WILL get the schedulers to change the plan if sufficient fire cover is not available.
Remember the line sent out "Because those owning a share are 'owners' we can fly private rules"? I know three people who queried that and were retasked, the flight was completed by another crew in all cases.
I'll say it is, you'll say it isn't and the thread will spiral downward but I know what I've seen and what the boys in (Lisbon) Ops have told me. I have no intention of getting into an argument over something neither of us can prove here but I know to be true.
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I said JB had made a success of White Concierge, I'd never agree he was a good manager.
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