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same mail for me, aplication on hold and insuficient hours.
2000TT, 1000 Jet time and ATPL
I donīt know what are they looking for, I supose that for me is becouse I donīt have LR60 Type Rating, I have Cessna Citation 500/550/560 Type but no job
Kelly H you're not the only one to be binned at the first hurdle (assuming you mean the first morning at CTC)! Over half those attending were binned by lunchtime on the first day when I went (including me). They seemed to be favouring ex Long Haul Captains (and Trainers) whereas the well experienced European (mainly airline short haul) Captains nearly all got binned. There was only one Lear rated pilot when I attended, didn't seem to be a factor in selection.
Worst thing was no feedback on reason for failure - probably those darned computer aptitude tests as it was only them and the group exercise in the morning session. Somewhat frustrating not to have even had a one to one interview before being binned.
By the way there was also a strong hint given in the presentation about the company that they would be moving (sooner rather than later) to long haul biz jet ops (obviously not in the LJ60). They claimed to want "only the best" (that's the best as defined by CTC).
Maybe they're taking a pause and waiting to see how many Netjets crews are available in a few weeks time. Not for a minute saying they are better than anybody else but they would be a known entity to the management.
Aha. Not CTC but direct from JR via email. CTC was the 2nd hurdle. And I have the long range exp. so don't see that as a factor either. Besides, Now you have told me that I can't take them seriously. LR60 really is the wrong a/c and now they are talking going inter-continental before even getting a wheel in the well? All very disapointing to see such crazy decisions being made. 'Will watch their future with interest.
if I were Bombardier, I'd stay clear of folks who portray my product in such a wrong way..and could be one of the reasons you will not find Bombardier on their web-site
AND list "prices" and all that blah, blah..
surprised they are still around..
could understand that during the boom times a lot of Net jets copycats could attract some interest from your average nouveau riche..
alas those nouveaux are broke now... their dough went away with Madoff & company..they fly Ryanair nowadays, if they can afford to fly at all..
cannot imagine such companies attracting folks with real money nowadays..
maybe there still are some braindead around now, but doubt it..
but look at their web-site..
just the "range" of the 60, listed here as 2120 statute miles....
Jet Republic : Learjet 60 XR
if I were Bombardier, I'd stay clear of folks who portray my product in such a wrong way
Bombardier quote 2,338nm on their site and we all know how manufacturers are at bigging up their products. Maybe JR are just being a little more realistic?
It's a little predictable to see people who have not been invited for selection, or who have been sent home after the group exercise & aptitude tests, to rubbish Jet Republic but let's be honest, if you were so convinced that they are destined for failure you wouldn't have applied in the first case, would you?
As for the suggestion from someone who was sent home after group ex & aptitude that they are favouring ex long haul capts and trainers. I think it's more likely that they are prioritising those who pass the aptitude don't you think?
A couple of posters seem mystified that they have been rejected with 2000 and 2300 hours when the website says 3000 minimum. Maybe they are also assessing the ability to read, write and spell.
No axe to grind here but this thread does seem to be full of people who only wish ill on any company other than their own or hold the view that since they weren't hired that the company are cr*p.
Bombardier quote 2,338nm on their site and we all know how manufacturers are at bigging up their products. Maybe JR are just being a little more realistic?
those folks have ONE product on their web-site..
the Lear 60... not a bad bird, maybe not really suited to a lot of smaller fields due to high REF speeds..
but then again, you have just ONE product and quote a range of 1800 NM, when in fact we all know the 60 DOES fly farther, quite a bit..
would be the first case of sales & marketing to "downgrade" their primary product..
so if the web-site already is that wrong, well, how about the rest...??
Having been on the receiving end of irate share owners who have been told many lies by salesmen (previous employer rhyming with 'Letjets') frankly I find it enlightening that an operator is being cautious for once. As for the overprice quote fractional operators have been doing that for decades. Buy at reduced prices and calculate the share costs using the RRP. Anyone surprised by that can't have been paying attention.
I'm curious though falconer, what did JR do to annoy you? Knock your application back?
You're quoting someone as calling JR dreamers. Can't find that in this thread so I'm intrigued as to who that might be. Whoever they are they've clearly not engaged their brain before commenting. Dreamers tend not to invest at the level of these people and neither do they employ management and staff with the level of experience and background JR have done. No, I don't work for them and neither do I want to but I have been around this neck of the industry for long enough to have seen some of them in action and not to write them off so lightly.
Like others here I'm also not impressed by those feigning knowledge who are a little too quick to rubbish others without the benefit of any facts. In these times we simply don't need it.
I am in the lucky position to have a good job..and I value that, I am not the arrogant type..
And it hurts me to see a lot of excellent professionals out of a job because of these dire straits today..
It also hurts to watch that a lot of these excellent pros, temporarily out of a job, not by their own doing, have to travel wide and far, spend a lot of money and the have to endure "job interviews"with all kinds of clowns that do not know the front from the rearend of an airplane..
You're making some hefty assumptions there, all based upon the fact that JR downplayed the range and used the list price on their website. A huge reach on your part if you'll excuse me for saying so.
No, I don't like to see people out of work or having to travel for interviews but JR are not to be confused with the shysters we often see. They might not be perfect but the level of investment should be a clue as to their level of seriousness.
No, I don't like to see people out of work or having to travel for interviews but JR are not to be confused with the shysters we often see. They might not be perfect but the level of investment should be a clue as to their level of seriousness
I would not though give a lot of weight on the "level of investment"....
who invested, and how much has been downpayed by now...??? in regards to deliveries etc etc etc..
that does not say a thing nowadays..
and would not know of ANY bank that will finance, I do not know how many, 100+ bizjets....without, well, ....
do you know ANY bank today, that will finance a billion + in fractional planes???????????
Net Jets is surviving because they have Mr. Buffett with looots of cash as a backer..and Net Jets do know how to make business, and even they bleed hard..( just look at all the sportscar dealers in NYC and NJ..lots of expensive used cars for sale there...and looots of Net Jets shares for sale too...)
looks pretty unreal to me..
I mean I dont know, do JR have ONE PLANE in operation by now??
Please give me the news...
other than that looks like a Potemkin village to me..
too long in the biz by now, am steering by gutfeeling in regards to a lot of new outfits, and my gutfeeling has yet to mislead me...
You really have a downer on them, don't you? I'd recommend a bit more homework before announcing them dead in the water.
If I were in their position I'd have slowed down too. Why take delivery when by easing off you can take advantage of desperate manufacturers, pick up cheaper (and experienced) crew, buy while everyone else is selling and do so toward the upturn rather than while everything is still heading downward?
Why rush to open in a shrinking market? Why hurry to acquire new aircraft when everyone else is doing a serious stocktake and at best just treading water? If you were as knowledgable as you claim you'd understand just how much cheaper it is to pour money down a drain without aircraft than with them. Yes, you still lose money but at a vastly slower rate and it's better to do that, monitor the market and time your entrance than shut up shop, lose your core staff and hope they'll be around in a year or so. Generally speaking it's those who become fixated on the minutiae that fail to grasp the realities of such things.
Feel free to repeat just how shonky they are and will spiral into oblivion because they didn't parrot Bombardier's range figures but I'd recommend a little research on those involved, their experience and backgrounds before claiming the mantle of Oracle.
Ahhhh, I get it. One of the types described in 'Eye Off The Ball's' last paragraph.
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