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Old 11th April 2008, 21:13   #1 (permalink)
 
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Ocean Sky

Just wondering if anyone could tell the roster pattern on the Challenger 604/605? What is the pay for an FO?

Any info greatly received
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Old 11th April 2008, 22:36   #2 (permalink)
 
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Sorry, non flying related but word on the street is that OCS`s financial position is not great at the moment.

Better off with twinjet or the like.

PJB.
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Old 11th April 2008, 23:27   #3 (permalink)
 
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OCS

Not sure PJB is right, OCS just bought 2 additional new 605s, they just recieved first GEX, second in July, and i heard from a friend who works there they getting 8 heavy jets this year.

probably expanding to fast
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Old 12th April 2008, 00:03   #4 (permalink)
 
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stay away from them, just an advise
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Old 12th April 2008, 10:10   #5 (permalink)
 
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transilvana, would you care to enlighten us a little more? Friend of mine is in the final stage of his application there and very short before cancelling his current contract...
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Old 13th April 2008, 10:15   #6 (permalink)
 
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Just for the record.....

Financialy Ocean Sky are very sound, there's nothing to worry about there at all. As mentioned already, two new CL605's, two owned CL604's and plenty more on the way!
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Old 13th April 2008, 13:09   #7 (permalink)
 
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For the record also : brand new G550 added recently at Ocean Sky as an upgrade of a G450, which was managed by another operator.

They expect to build a fleet of 20 aircraft by the end of 2009.
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Old 13th April 2008, 14:51   #8 (permalink)
 
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Careful...the size of the fleet (either existing or planned) has nothing at all to do with an Operator's stability! I've seen this picture before and no doubt will do so again in this business. Can't confirm or deny any rumours but there's no smoke without fire guys.
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Old 13th April 2008, 15:28   #9 (permalink)
 
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buying aircraft/increasing fleet = stability?

Oasis?
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Old 14th April 2008, 12:51   #10 (permalink)
 
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I don't know why some posters here prefer to hint a things instead of saying them... Maybe they feel it makes them look smarter or better informed... it does not.
Anyway. Ocean sky is backed by a Russian family, they have some aeronautical experience already (ocean cargo). They have a lot of money to spend. After the acquisition of NEA, other things planned: fleet expansion, own ground ops, possible acquisition of simulators in the UK.
Upside: a very good understanding of the Russian customers and their needs. Their cabin service for example is very good, and tailored to the demands of their clients. They sell a lot of charter flights at prices only Russians are willing to pay, and the management side looks pretty good also, from the one customer I had a chance to talk to.
Downside: it's the company owner's train set, and if they decide they are tired of aviation, or of the UK, they can pack up and leave town very fast if needed.
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Old 14th April 2008, 13:48   #11 (permalink)
 
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It's the downside you mention that worries most people I think. Certainly I am watching this space with interest.
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Old 14th April 2008, 22:18   #12 (permalink)
 
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Ocean Sky

Did the downside include some aeronautical experience in Ocean Airlines?
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Old 15th April 2008, 13:09   #13 (permalink)
 
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yes it didocean airlines all aircraft as far as i am aware are Impounded/Groundedbe careful men bearing gifts/promises
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Old 19th April 2008, 00:20   #14 (permalink)
 
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ocean airlines are not oceansky, just check Kronus Capital and draw comparison. From my research OCS are a dynamic and progressive organisation that has a total aviation package ranging from sales,acquisition,brokerage,maintenance and FBO capability. Seems prudent to cast the net and not put all eggs in one basket. Good luck to them, I doubt if they will need it
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Old 19th April 2008, 03:00   #15 (permalink)
 
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Oceansky Employee Alert!
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Old 19th April 2008, 09:25   #16 (permalink)
 
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Privatejetbroker,
"better off with twinjet" - ha ha ha, thats a classic
The most humourous post of the year so far
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Old 19th April 2008, 11:25   #17 (permalink)
 
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did i pick a bad example......!

ok , GAMA then
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Old 19th April 2008, 15:06   #18 (permalink)
 
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Oceansky Employee Alert!

The Other Side is way off, not an employee of OCS but I am sure a lot worse companies to be employed by.
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Old 6th May 2008, 14:01   #19 (permalink)
 
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Exclamation ocean sky ocean airlines

ocean sky, ocean airlines, kronos capital = same principals
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Old 6th May 2008, 14:16   #20 (permalink)
 
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For those of us less enlightened about Kronos Capitals practices and ethics Mouse, maybe you could spell it out for us?
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