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Old 27th January 2009, 21:13   #101 (permalink)
 
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Wow - if I remeber rigth they jsut made 3 pilots rdunant on the G550. But maybe there are a few out there who believe Kurosh? You never know.
They still did not pay theyr bills - but always big in interviewas.

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Old 27th January 2009, 22:23   #102 (permalink)
 
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Are Ocean Sky taking over the ex-Silverjet terminal at Luton?
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Old 27th January 2009, 22:59   #103 (permalink)
 
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Ocean Sky

"Ocean Sky is expanding rapidly and aggressively despite the economic crisis pummelling sectors of its business".
If she means taking traffic from established FBO's with dubious marketing tactics, she's spot on !
To answer wawel, if you pay the appropriate fee, you can get a business report on OS - the last one I saw showed several UK County Court judgements against them, something like £10000 to pay out to claimants.
As for a new UK FBO, my money's on Birmingham (or rather it isn't!)
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Old 27th January 2009, 23:36   #104 (permalink)
 
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'If she means taking traffic from established FBO's.........'

ah yes competition for signature..good about time!
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Old 27th January 2009, 23:59   #105 (permalink)
 
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As for a new UK FBO, my money's on Birmingham
Definately not Birmingham, I can assure you that much!
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Old 28th January 2009, 20:59   #106 (permalink)
 
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From www.aviationjobsearch.com...

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Ocean Sky Jet Centre are pleased to announce the opening of their latest FBO at Luton airport, serving the private, corporate and business jet industry. Most positions will be shift based covering a 24/7 operation. Applications are now sought...
Good effort - not sure I'd want to go head to head with Signature and Harrods meself like.....
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Old 28th January 2009, 22:34   #107 (permalink)
 
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Perhaps the only way to service their fleet in the London area is to set up handling themselves. Maybe they have p1ssed off Harrods, Signature, TAG, Universal, et al.

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Old 28th January 2009, 23:04   #108 (permalink)
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I think you hit the nail on the head, but how do they manage to start a new operation in London with so much "rumoured" debt.
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Old 28th January 2009, 23:24   #109 (permalink)
 
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The FBO's may not carrying any debt, as the only operator in MAN, surely that is profitable; I really have no idea, but if the FBOs and the Flying Operation are separate entities, the FBOs probably look OK (to the bankers). Had a quick look at the recruitment ads; it’s a pretty ambitious, potential operation.
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Old 28th January 2009, 23:43   #110 (permalink)
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It will be very interesting to see what it is Ocean Sky can offer that Harrods/Signature can't....... .
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Old 29th January 2009, 10:41   #111 (permalink)
 
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Lower bills? Service to smaller airplanes also when big ones are around?
No NJE airplanes that receive service first?
Given the recent experience at MAN I doubt it, but...hope dies last.
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Old 29th January 2009, 10:52   #112 (permalink)
 
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Harrods I find fine , Signature a bit hit and miss, I wish those ladies wouldnt jabber too much at the front desk when your trying to get a word in; anyway OS hopefully cheaper price and good service so we will see what happens better hit the ground running.
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Old 29th January 2009, 12:01   #113 (permalink)
 
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PPE,

In the last month I've heard about "rumoured debt" about pretty much every operator / broker and handling agent, 90% has proven to be complete tosh.

Only this morning I had a call from a concerned broker asking if we were going belly up - because that was today's "rumour". (It's not true BTW).

I have no doubt that this rumour will affect my business because brokers who pay prior to flight will see us a credit risk, we will lose work, people will lose their jobs!

Now I know this is a bit Kettle / Black, and that is why I haven't been posting at all recently, but careless talk does cost jobs - this is a rumour network, but the rumours have an effect, so lets be responsible with freedom that the nice PPRuNe bods have given us shall we.

(If anyone wants to let me know which one of our competitors is spreading the rumour about us, please PM me so can nip it in the bud)

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Old 29th January 2009, 13:48   #114 (permalink)
 
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Phil is one of the Gentlemen in G A

He will not let you down

There are many Back Stabbers out there who for some reason maybe do not like Phil


I would lend him my Car


Phil

Hope all is Ok


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Old 29th January 2009, 13:53   #115 (permalink)
 
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Hi Gerry,

Still got the Skoda then?

Phil
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Old 29th January 2009, 14:10   #116 (permalink)
 
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you cant beat the skoda Phil......
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Old 29th January 2009, 14:18   #117 (permalink)
 
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u can't beat the Skoda

As an owner myself I totally agree Mr T.

Unleash the beast!
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Old 29th January 2009, 15:24   #118 (permalink)
 
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"There are many Back Stabbers out there who for some reason maybe do not like Phil"

What possible reason.......oh.....OK, I'll get my coat
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Old 29th January 2009, 16:26   #119 (permalink)
 
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Many many years ago I flew for a company operating turboprops and piston twins on both scheduled and charter ops.
Rumours spread one friday morning about the debt the company was carrying, which was correct.
By 5 pm I was instructed to fly the a/c into maintanance and leave it there.
The leasing company got wind of the rumours and seized the a/c that DAY!
21 pilots out of work, office workers, no income left so no bills paid anywhere!
8 hours is all it took to wipe out an AOC holder based on rumour.
So please be careful what you say and write eh?
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Old 29th January 2009, 16:37   #120 (permalink)
 
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Rumours spread one friday morning about the debt the company was carrying, which was correct.
So it wasn't a rumour then?!

But I agree with your sentiment - very often people are more than willing to sling mud around when they don't know the full facts. Fact of the matter is, Ocean Sky is financially buoyant.
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