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Old 20th July 2007, 19:56   #101 (permalink)
 
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How many of you are there out there? ? ? I thought this was just a couple of pilots, and quite recent, how long has this been going on ????

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Old 20th July 2007, 21:05   #102 (permalink)
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Drink sounds good
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Old 20th July 2007, 21:09   #103 (permalink)

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I know a great couple of pubs close by!
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Old 20th July 2007, 21:11   #104 (permalink)
 
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Lots of companies listed on the Companies House website whose names start in 'Unique Air'. Wonder if they're all part of this strange set-up? UNIQUE AIR TRAVELS LIMITED, UNIQUE AIR G-WWIZ (UK) LTD, UNIQUE AIR INTERNATIONAL LIMITED to name just a few!
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Old 20th July 2007, 21:21   #105 (permalink)
 
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Oh dear!

Is it just me? Or am I beginning to see a pattern here? Employ people, sucker them along for as long as you can , find an excuse to get rid of them, change company name, start again.

Ah the oldest trick in the book ! or am I just an old cynic?


Has been indicated at least 12 pilots been through this.... so far. Any more out there?

Sounds like it could be a good night at that pub!
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Old 20th July 2007, 21:49   #106 (permalink)
 
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Count me in for a reunion !!! Good chance to swap stories and various tells of MD's BullS**t
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Old 20th July 2007, 22:02   #107 (permalink)

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I am pleased to report that I know one of the pilots concerned has been offered a job elsewhere.

Fingers crossed for the rest of you!

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Old 21st July 2007, 03:43   #108 (permalink)
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Quite astounding, you guys work for nothing for months and I am struggling to find suitably houred Seneca drivers.
Hi Phil

Has nobody told you yet that you have to pay people to fly the PA34 ?
Ever tried an EFATO in a PA34 with 3 pax on board ? Good luck.

My advice would be to make the PA31 the smallest ship in your fleet and you would have no problem attracting crew.

Why are you guys messing around with Senecas anyway ? PA34 = milkshake on wings. It was designed to be a single, not a twin.

I once had a PA34, did 50 hours in it, ended up in some wx, then swapped it immediately for a PA31 !!! PA31s are museum pieces, but at least they are built to withstand the sort of wx we are getting these days.

Happy flying.
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Old 21st July 2007, 08:57   #109 (permalink)
 
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meet up

Hey im up for the bash if everyone is, do you think Swansea be a good venue then, think we should invite MD
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Old 21st July 2007, 12:00   #110 (permalink)

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Nah, I doubt he could afford to buy a round
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Old 21st July 2007, 12:53   #111 (permalink)
 
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Im sure we could muster up enough money for a round or two, three, four, five................
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Old 21st July 2007, 17:41   #112 (permalink)
 
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Re: Wilipedia, so they do, G-ELIS and G-FILE are on the page.

RE PA34 suitability - We haven't put a passenger in one for 6 months, ours just do freight contracts now. Obviously I don't fly, so have no idea what they fly like. I just count the beans and let me tell you each one generates enough GP to pay itself off every year, find me another type with that sort of stats.

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Old 21st July 2007, 21:04   #113 (permalink)
 
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Been away on a trip, but back now to say I'm in for the beers if anything is arranged yet?
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Old 22nd July 2007, 20:40   #114 (permalink)
 
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All those who have been f***d over by Unique Air/MD say "I"

"I"


Perhaps we should all meet share horror stories!
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Old 23rd July 2007, 01:25   #115 (permalink)
 
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Dear Eilene Dover

On behalf of the confirmed pilots that have furnished me with thier experiences reference this company and MD.


I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, ...15 thus far !! any more? any legal operators need pilots?

Looks like an untapped resourse hear. Will be happy to act as go between for these poor guys. Think they could use a little help.
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Old 23rd July 2007, 06:07   #116 (permalink)
 
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15, are you serious. Has he really employed 15 pilots?
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Old 23rd July 2007, 06:39   #117 (permalink)
 
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Well on the e-mail i got with the contract offer there are 12 other names on the circulation, that was in March this does not include anyone else who may have worked for him from which i gather at least 2 more before i did.

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Old 23rd July 2007, 06:45   #118 (permalink)
 
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So, the Industry norm is 1.5 crews per airframe, why has he employed air crew for 10 aircraft? Even if the grand plans do turn up in the form of a couple of Kingairs (it is Kingairs this week isn't it?), why would anyone set up with an unsustainable overhead before the ability to deliver any product?

Surely the whole rationale behind the ilegal flights is to get some clients and revenue to fund the "going legit" process.

I'm obviously far too stupid to understand why this is smart.

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Old 23rd July 2007, 10:07   #119 (permalink)
 
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Phil,

I honestly think that he managed to convince himself about a number of things:
1. That he was a suitable postholder for an AOC.
2. That an AOC was a foregone conclusion and would be approved (and that he'd get the money for the application fees from somewhere).
3. That the investors would back him up to the tune of millions of dollars (to be fair he had the crew convinced of this too). To this end the investor produced a document relating to monies held in a Dutch bank in the name of the (then) holding company. It DID seem plausible at the time.
4. That pending the AOC he would take delivery of several aircraft from the Baron through C340 to a CJ2. These would require crewing, and he thought he could just operate regardless of AOC approval, and get away with it.
5. That pilots would do as he said and hang off his every word regardless of safety or the law.

I suspect he is still convinced of a number of these facts, and that the reality will never touch him.

My own opinion is that the investor has realised that he is not suitable as postholder, or business manager, that a lot of the claims were fabricated, and is unlikely now to back him even if (and it seems a big 'if') the investor had the money he claimed.

In the meantime I have heard that he is now propagating the rumour that he is a benevolent being who only did all this to create jobs for low hours pilots, and that we have all stabbed him in the back.

Question is, does anybody believe him anymore?
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Old 23rd July 2007, 10:52   #120 (permalink)
 
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Yes, at least 15 so far!

It's hard to believe, even if there was "sour grapes" by a percentage, so many pilots that all have had similer stories to tell ? Does this guy live in the real world?

I am curious to this mans credentials. I assume he has some kind of aviation background? Has he worked previousley for any other operaters? If so, who? and in what capacity?
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