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Old 27th May 2007, 09:02   #1 (permalink)
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NetJetEurope total aircraft and orders
Maybe it has been already said.........

How many aircraft does NJE have and how many orders for the coming years?

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Old 27th May 2007, 13:07   #2 (permalink)
 
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Old 27th May 2007, 14:07   #3 (permalink)
 
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Don't forget the 30 Hawker 750 that have been ordered. They will be delivered from 2008 on.
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Old 27th May 2007, 20:52   #4 (permalink)
 
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H25B CS-DRX is also in service.
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Old 27th May 2007, 21:39   #5 (permalink)
 
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And

CSDLD DA2000EX.
CSDXO C560XLS.

Anybody know regs of 7XS On order yet?

cheers.
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Old 27th May 2007, 21:55   #6 (permalink)
 
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...and is there any truth in the rumour about 'dumping' all the Bravos, whatever that might mean?! I can see that pax much prefer an aircraft they can at least pretend to stand up in, but can NJE really be planning to reduce capacity that much?
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Old 27th May 2007, 23:20   #7 (permalink)
 
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Apently once Horizons start arriving BE400S Will return to U.S. For onward
resale!!.
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Old 28th May 2007, 09:44   #8 (permalink)
 
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...and is there any truth in the rumour about 'dumping' all the Bravos, whatever that might mean?! I can see that pax much prefer an aircraft they can at least pretend to stand up in, but can NJE really be planning to reduce capacity that much?
I don't know if it is true or not but bear in mind that "passengers" are not chartering these Bravos... They own them so they actually fly in what they can afford to purchase. NJE does not put these PAX against their will on a Bravo as it is an entry level jet to ownership, just like the 400 is, by its size but more importantly by its price tag. PAX do not see the Bravo as a "oh no! Not a Bravo again!". They bought it and they know why too.


As for sending back the 400 to the States when the 4000 arrives. Well maybe such is the timining but two things here. A 4000 is a lot more expensive than a 400 so it won't replace them (if it is what you suggested).
Also according to rumour number one, if NJE was to get rid of Bravos and 400s, NJE will have nothing to cater for a customer who doesn't need to spend 11 Million USD on a plane. They would also have to say goodbye to existing Bravo/400 customers etc... I doubt they will.
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Old 28th May 2007, 11:28   #9 (permalink)
 
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if NJE was to get rid of Bravos and 400s
Out of curiosity how reliable are the 400's these days? Seven fuel tanks and a wiring loom made in Mexico. Glad I never had that lot to contend with.
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Old 28th May 2007, 12:41   #10 (permalink)
 
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Out of curiosity how reliable are the 400's these days? Seven fuel tanks and a wiring loom made in Mexico. Glad I never had that lot to contend with.
So am I. Only people with a strong faith need to fly .
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Old 31st May 2007, 17:33   #11 (permalink)
 
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How reliable? Down to the point I would not fly my own family onboard!!! The maintenance is absolutely useless and the aircraft is crap. The sooner they get rid of that sh...the better it is!
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Old 31st May 2007, 19:31   #12 (permalink)
 
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Maintenance is very good through Augsberg, reliability was as good as the Hawker 800. I would fly my family on them, no worries.

The biggest problem on the 400 is the fuel system from A to Z. I didn't have too many problems with the electrical system. It is an ENTRY LEVEL BUSINESS JET and is basic and pretty cheap. I would rather fly a 400 over a Citation any day and most of the passengers are so much happier to be 'on the Beach'.
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Old 31st May 2007, 22:57   #13 (permalink)
 
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I would presume that if Netjets Europe were to dispose of any aircraft, it would be the 3 Falcon 900's & the single 900EX

Do NJE operate or plan to operate any Cessna 750's? I know the US arm of the company operate the type

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Old 2nd June 2007, 17:34   #14 (permalink)
 
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Cpt crashs (interesting name by the way to provide input on safety!). Netjets maintenance is bad because they do not leave time to the maintenance base to correctly fix the problems. As a matter of fact, all entries in the techlogs are written in Augsberg (but try Augsburg, works better) where we cannot fly neither in nor out according to Jar!!! or in Chester (may be 1 flight for the whole company in the last 10years apart from maintenance)
Fly your inlaws if you like...I am sure they will appreciate.
however you are right Augsburg maintenance is very good.

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Old 2nd June 2007, 20:18   #15 (permalink)
 
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all entries in the techlogs are written in Augsberg
You'd think someone would catch on to this one. Amazing how many snags appear as the aircraft arrives at the maintenance base

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where we cannot fly neither in nor out according to Jar
So why do people do it? C'mon guys
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Old 2nd June 2007, 20:55   #16 (permalink)
 
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your right smeagel, but unfortunately a common thing in General aviation and STANDARD in Netjets.
If the Flight inspectors of several DCA,s would look into the techlogs of Netjets, they will find out that STRANGELY ENOUGH, all techlog items filled in either coincides with the day, the aircraft goes into maintenance and STRANGELY CONVIENENT ENOUGH, it coincides with the 6st =last day of the crew s tour.

Those crew must be very unlucky to have all these things break down on their last day of tour, but luckily enough there was a maintenance close by, allready, strangely enough pre booked a few days before....

Not to forget that the guy orchestrating all this is called a fleetmanager, but crew do not argue because when you mess with them, no promotion, or tea and biscuits.

someone mentioned not flying on a 400, few disagree with that, hearing it from the crews, but better not fly Netjets, due to lack of safety minded people and a non existent safety culture.....
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Not to forget that the guy orchestrating all this is called a fleetmanager, but crew do not argue because when you mess with them, no promotion, or tea and biscuits.
Sad but true though I would say that not ALL fleet managers in NJE are like that. I dread to think though how much pressure (from above) the few good ones come under.

As for the 'roll over' ones
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Old 2nd June 2007, 23:12   #18 (permalink)
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I never had problems going into Augsburg in the dry (difficult in the wet). And I never cheated nor was I asked to do something illegal. Maybe they knew I would tell them to shove it if they did!

I never carried snags except on a MEL. My licence was too hard to come by to loose doing something illegal for Netjets. They would never support you if there was a ramp check and you got busted; they would wash their and let you hang.

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Old 4th June 2007, 09:58   #19 (permalink)
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Of course, Augsburg is GA only! You capt Crash are very lucky. Never had a bulb, not MELable never have intermittent thing not working nor landing gear pb nor hydraulic nor.... You must be the only one then!
lucky man, wait a little more, it will come.

Fly safe and good luck!
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