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Old 5th Nov 2014, 12:26
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I think she meant to say Mosquito wings...........
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Ellie Harrison could tell me black was white and I would believe her.................
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Guy Martin was irritating and his pieces to camera were either unintelligible or just plain crass. I guess that's the price for pandering to a dumbed-down audience.

It's a shame Raymond Baxter is not still with us.
I felt Guy Martin did a good job as presenter, came over as enthusiastic. Had no difficulty understanding him.

Enjoyed RB too. If he were still with us he would be 92 so would probably be happy to make way for someone younger.....

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GUY MARTINS SPITFIRE

Just been repeated tonight and I managed to watch it this time,
and just read through the posts here. I know of Guy from following bike racing and have watched his TV programmes, which I think have been interesting. He is a genuine engineer who works on comercial vehicle engines as his prime ocupation, and does his own mechanicing on his race bikes. I think Fred Dibnah would have got on great with him, they both share the same idea about British industrial engineering heritage, and didn't speak the Queens english either! I don't think Raymond Baxter would be the man to present this programme nowadays, however much I greatly respected him
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Throwing a spanner in, did they use auto wire locking pliers in 1940 or do it by hand as I was taught in 1968, if not they were'nt being true to the plot!

Great programme, and good to see Geoffrey Wellum after reading his excellent book.
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 01:18
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Lock wire pliers were certainly in use in the late 50s. They were known as "Ladies aids".

After an excellent landing etc...
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I noticed its was on TV again last night....I was tempted but I still have it recorded from the first time.

Going to put it on DVD when I get a chance...wish there was more TV like this prog.

Guy is such an enthusiastic guy...even owns his very own RR Merlin fixed to a 4 wheel road trailer to run it on...it is on youtube I think....he did have a little accident with it...but its back running again now.

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Old 25th Jan 2015, 20:20
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The TV stations are steadily in need of new faces and the new ones picked have had some positive display in some way. Deep and exact knowledge from engineers and professors aren't neccesarely the best presenting towards the livingrooms across the nation, however it's practical to have such co-hosts.
Guy Martin certainly has his followers due to his status as motorbikechamp and IoM racer. As a motorbike entusiast I loved to see the IoM documentary about Guy Martin: Closer to the Edge and without having seen it I've noticed another TV-seria with Guy Martin and a houseboat.
Such programmes is made for the average TV spectator and is doomed to be neglected by people with deeper knowledge - Just like the movie Red Tails, based on the Tusgee airmen story: Good entertainment, but not for flybuff's.
Try seeing the programme with the houseboat and re-judge the appearence of Guy Martin out of that!
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auto wire locking pliers
What!!!!

You mean after 30 years on job I could have got it done automatically?
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Old 25th Jan 2015, 22:29
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You mean after 30 years on job I could have got it done automatically?
Most of the AMEs I've ever worked with could wirelock as quickly and as neatly the old-fashioned way.
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Most of the AMEs I've ever worked with could wirelock as quickly and as neatly the old-fashioned way

Yep !......wire locking tools do have a use....if you are doing long easily accessible sections...otherwise, the best place for the contraptions is the bottom of the Manchester Ship Canal.....

To be honest, when I first watched his programmes I thought he was trying to be a copycat Fred...I got that one wrong. It soon became evident that he's genuine and just being himself. He's always interested in whatever he's doing, never tries to be the "star" with the people he's working with and, unlike just about every other presenter....pasty chops on " Countryfile" springs readily to mind here, always gives credit to those whose full time occupations he's involved with.

Well worth watching therefore and hopefully on our screens for a long time to come.

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I never got to see it as Martins inaudible drivel made me turn off pretty sharpish
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I saw the programme for the first time last night and was reasonably impressed. I think I blinked and missed something, though: why was so much time devoted to demonstrating what sort of mess a 50 cal Browning could make of a German car?
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Apparently Mr Martin was named after Guy Gibson and can be a bit incoherent when he gets excited, but he is definitely passionate about the things he does and has a great respect for those who he describes as having proper jobs and doing real work see his series "How Britain worked".

As said there are better factual programmes on Discovery and other specialist channels but they would not get aired on prime time TV as they would not attract enough audience figures.
As for shooting up the BMW you can blame that on the Top Gear factor. The producers are trying to cover all the demographics, the nerdy types will watch for the rivet counting, then there's the nostalgia factor which will bring in the oldies, the ladies will watch because Guy's on it, so how do we get the lads to watch it, hmm I know we'll shoot something to bits that'll do it.
If it gets people interested then maybe, just maybe they'll watch more worthy programmes in future, but don't hold your breath.

As for the IWM going all corporate. I'm afraid that that's the way that they run all these places nowadays. The greater proportion of people at the top end are not restorers or curators but people who are skilled at climbing the greasy pole. That type doesn't give a fig about what the company does as long as they can tick the boxes on their CV's and get the maximum personal advancement. The Science Museums treatment of Wroughton is a classic case of this.
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Windy Militant, that looks about right regarding the 50 Cal demonstration. What bothered me, though, was that average Joe and Josephine Public probably now think that such weight of effect was available to the lads in the BoB. To me, that demeans what they actually achieved with their .303 peashooters.

Just a thought, for what it's worth.
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Hey R20,

Would it have suited you better if he had been from the East-End, and a true Cockney Sparra..
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One would have course preferred to have proper pronunciation a la BBC 1950's and he should have been suitably attired in evening dress.
Alternatively, Brian Sewell should have been procured for the narration.
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I have not heard of pinned nuts working loose myself, but anything that can happen will
It did! 'Tangmere', Battle of Britain class steam loco, connecting rod lost its cotter pin and almost caused a major disaster. Luckily the small end landed on the 3rd rail (conductor rail for electric trains) so didn't 'dig into the ground' which would have overturned the loco.

http://www.raib.gov.uk/cms_resources...Winchfield.pdf
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Old 2nd Feb 2015, 17:40
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SSD,

Thanks for posting the Winchfield accident report. I hadn't heard of it before.

Who would have thought that a castellated nut and split pin was less safe than a plain nut and split pin! They were VERY lucky that the third rail was on that side of the loco. "Tangmere" doing a pole-vault on the connecting rod doesn't bear thinking about.

I'm reminded of the proverb about kingdoms and horse-shoe nails.
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Who would have thought that a castellated nut and split pin was less safe than a plain nut and split pin!
From reading the report, it appears that it wasn't a conventional loop head split pin, but a dodgy home-brewed substitute made by sawing a cut in a piece of mild steel.

I'd trust my life (I probably have) to a properly installed split-pin/castle nut combination, regardless of the orientation of the bolt, although I vaguely recall from 40-odd years ago that CAIPs might have had something to say about the latter*.

Edit: *I've checked, and no they didn't

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Originally Posted by rolling20
I never got to see it as Martins inaudible drivel made me turn off pretty sharpish


Ah but one person's inaudible drivel is another person's clarity. My then 16 year old sister came to stay with us for a week when we lived in Wimbledon. She had hardly left Worksop and the surrounding area for a very long time. Getting in after the first day in the environs the following remark was made. "Dun't thee all tork funney down 'ere".
I had to point out that she was the one talking funny.
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