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Old 10th Nov 2017, 04:51   #2721 (permalink)
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Try this thread pages 32-34
LUTON History and Nostalgia
Well that was an interesting read again. Shame a small number of photos were missing due to being hosted by photobucket.
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With regards to the corsair jumbos including the sp I beleive these where used for the Euro96 and the Caribbean airlines 747 what and banger that was around 89 inter sun holidays had leased this in for there Barbados flights was going to go on this but the flights operated from stanstead instead went by BWIA Tristar direct from Heathrow while in Barbados met a couple who used this they said they had a 2 Day delay then inter sun leased in another old banger if any of you can remember Orion airlines 747 got some great publicity for this also Airtours leased this in
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With regards to the condor 727s where they used on the trooping flights to Germany
No. Condor flights in the late 70's were German-originating pax with most flights from Stuttgart (DF2848/9). Can't remember the name of the charterer. I do remember the first Bavaria flights from Munich which started 9/10/75 on Thu (BV4582/3) and Mon (BV1582/3) were chartered by City Express Flug, operated by 1-11 400's initially with the -500's taking over nearly all flights after the 1st few weeks. These operated year round until Oct 1979 as Bavaria, Bavaria Germanair then Hapag-Lloyd.
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Old 11th Nov 2017, 09:21   #2724 (permalink)
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As a small aside . . . . When the two Corsair B747s arrived i took some photos of them landing from the tower and subsequently posted them on my (then) website. A few days later the airport alerted me to the fact that the anti-airport lot LADACAN (do they still exist?) had linked to them from their website with a headline 'Two Jumbos land at Luton Airport' and how terribly noisy they were. The airport asked me to take them down. I did better than that . . . .

I found a pic on the internet of two elephants and substituted that (with the same url) as the pic of the Corsair B747s. It was several days before LADACAN twigged. It did amuse me . . .
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Old 11th Nov 2017, 10:52   #2725 (permalink)
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Me too, brilliant!

Did they trumpet the headline? (groan...)
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Vintage ATCO's mention of LADACAN reminds me of the rather cavalier attitude that Autair displayed towards the disturbance caused by their newly introduced BAC 111s.

I remember one summer night shift in the late sixties at a time when three one-elevens were scheduled one after another to perform an overnight rotation to Alicante. The crews used to compete to see who could achieve the quickest round trip by the end of the season - I digress. On this occasion just after the first departure I received a very irate telephone call from an incensed member of the public some few miles distant who then threw his receiver out of the bedroom window so that I could listen to the diminishing roar of the Speys as they climbed upwards into the clear night sky. Whilst the caller hauled his phone back up through the roses and wisteria the second one-eleven blasted off from the runway. I then appraised the complainant of the situation and apologized which resulted in an even greater diatribe after which the receiver was again flung out of the window with renewed vigour. I took this opportunity to hang up.

On another occasion a milder mannered old gent whose Saturday afternoon nap had been disturbed rang to complain about "That blasted little blow-torch that goes round and round." I've always remembered this as the most splendid description of the ill-fated H.S 125 G-AVGW which was performing circuit training on that summer day so long ago.

It must have been in 1968 or then abouts that one summer night an urgently needed one-eleven was given an incautious full power engine run outside the hangar at one o'clock in the morning. This resulted in a delegation, really a misnomer for a rather nasty looking rabble of residents, suddenly arriving on the airport apron outside our office window. Dressed in pyjamas, sweaters, dressing gowns, shod in 'Bovver Boots' and clasping a couple of pick axe handles, their mood could fairly be described as ugly.

I woke our duty Ops Manager Pete Lingard from a very deep slumber on the floor of his darkened office and half awake he stumbled outside to confront the mob. I remember how very well he dealt with an awkward situation. He immediately identified the ring-leader and just able to make his voice heard above the din of the Speys invited the tough into his office. Quite what was said after all this time I cannot recall however after a minute or two the situation was calmed and the protestors melted away into what was left of the night.

In 1972 John Kitchen wrote a thesis on The Expansion of Luton Airport. This is a tiny edited extract:

Noise Characteristics of Selected Aircraft in relation to Luton at a level 3.5 nautical miles from the start of roll with a 4 Degree Climb.

Tristar 95 PNdB
B737 96 PNdB
BAC 111 102 PNdB
B707 108 PNdB

Source B.F. Collins (Airport Director)from data supplied by Rolls Royce and DTI.

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Old 11th Nov 2017, 19:50   #2727 (permalink)
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We had a chap turn up in the middle of the night in the old control tower in pyjamas and dressing gown to complain about an engine run. No security in those days. He was very polite.

Whilst the Airport Duty Officer was called to speak to him he was sat down and given a cup of tea. He stayed over and hour then said he ought to go, still very polite.

For my sins, in the 90s, I was in charge of the person that looked after the Noise & Track and dealt with noise complaints. Unfortunately, I had to let him go on leave occasionally and then I had to deal with the complaints.

Rather than write letters I would telephone people. By and large, they were all reasonable, they had been annoyed by a particular event and felt they wanted to complain as they had every right to do. I would even invite them in to see the Noise & Track monitoring although not everyone would 'you are trying to brain wash me'. For that, you need a brain (no, I didn't say that) :-)
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Did Euroberlin operate flights from LTN or were they just in for mx from MON who they leased them from?
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Did Euroberlin operate flights from LTN or were they just in for mx from MON who they leased them from?
I don't believe EuroBerlin ever operated commercial flights from Luton, just the positioning sectors to and from maintenance checks.



G-MONH 6/10/91

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With cars featuring occasionally within this topic, glad to see the Skoda in the background above. Memory, was it a Waterford schedule?
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With cars featuring occasionally within this topic, glad to see the Skoda in the background above. Memory, was it a Waterford schedule?
Probably Isle of Man. Operated on an ATP Sun-Fri in 1991 and a 146 Saturdays.
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Thought that Manx did a Waterford service from Luton. Must check my BAe 41 days, perhaps it was from Stansted.
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Thought that Manx did a Waterford service from Luton. Must check my BAe 41 days, perhaps it was from Stansted.
I remember Manx operating Waterford-Stansted around 1993-1994 with the J41. This one was diverted in on 10/10/94:-
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Probably Isle of Man. Operated on an ATP Sun-Fri in 1991 and a 146 Saturdays.
What year did they switch from the SH360? I remember G-ISLE clearly, I am sure it was later than 91, maybe they switched back and forth. It was certainly ATP from 93 onwards.
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What year did they switch from the SH360? I remember G-ISLE clearly, I am sure it was later than 91, maybe they switched back and forth. It was certainly ATP from 93 onwards.
Manx first flew their IOM-LTN schedule in June 1988 using the SD360. First ATP flights were as early as March 1989 with the 360 substituting depending on loads. First 146 ops to Luton were in April 1990.
Some useful stats:-
https://publications.parliament.uk/p...89/8040111.htm


and some photos:-

G-ISLE 4/8/92



G-OATP 2/9/89



G-OJET 27/5/90



G-OATP 10/10/94. Suspect the other ATP was the Manchester-Stansted flight, with the J41 the previously mentioned Waterford-Stansted flight.

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I always found the Manx livery a very attractive one and it suited all of there aircraft very well including the 'sheds'.

That's a great photo to have three Manx aircraft in one shot at LTN.

I do enjoy reading this thread but it's a shame there is not a similar one regarding Stansted!

Surely there is an equally great STNman out there lol
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Old 14th Nov 2017, 16:49   #2737 (permalink)
 
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G WAFT

Lovely photograph. First encountered 1994, Line Training and Final Line Check. Last encountered 15 years later, different registration, and for self and aircraft many adventures in the interim. Mine included two long-defunct Luton operators.
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Interesting to note the two bits of ground equipment in the last pic of G-OATP were originally Britannia equipment which transferred to Servisair when BY ceased self-handling.

The tug was obviously used for 767's in its early days (looks a bit over-sized on an ATP!) The other bit of kit was a mobile ground power unit. The drive came from the rather beefy generator motor (which was limited!) However, it was easy to by-pass the limiter which turned it into a lethal projectile with useless brakes. I recall the thing ended up modifying the wall of the newly built Line office outside H89 a long time ago!.....
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The other bit of kit was a mobile ground power unit. The drive came from the rather beefy generator motor (which was limited!) However, it was easy to by-pass the limiter which turned it into a lethal projectile with useless brakes. I recall the thing ended up modifying the wall of the newly built Line office outside H89 a long time ago!.....
Ha, i remember that Mobile GPU when at Brits. That Engine sounded awesome, probably a good job that not many found the limiter override It used to bounce around a lot as well.

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Looks like a Hobart unit to me.
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