P-40 found in the Sahara Desert

[Nopax,thanx]

Shamelessly lifted from another forum, hot on the heels of the Spitfires in Burma comes this one....

WWW.KONRADUS.COM - LOTNICTWO - Znalezisko

Using Google Translate;

"My friend works in the Sahara looking for oil and gas. Recently, however, they came upon something completely different ..."

Assuming this is genuine, I would be most interested to see who ends up with the ownership of the wreck.

[huntaluvva]

I've got one of those in the loft.

It says AIRFIX on the box.

HL

[JimmyTAP]

Well I think I (and others I suspect) would be very keen to see an Airfix kit turn out like that.

If this P-40 is a fake it's a very good one.

[huntaluvva]

I don't think it's that good at all, apart from the rear fuselage closeup and cockpit shots.

[Lightning Mate]

After that amount of time in the desert, would not the cockpit be full of sand?

However, the aeroplane is sitting right wing low, and the slip indicator in the cockpit photograph is to the right, which is correct.

Also note the cloud formations from different angles.

The vacant space at the top left left in the cockpit photograph is where, I believe, a clock would have been fitted.

It was standard practice to remove the clock upon vacating the aeroplane if possible, because they were clockwork operated.

If this is a fake, either Photoshopped or a model diorama, then the perpetrator knew quite a lot.

I also understand that the RAF has been asked for help in identifying the aeroplane.

[Doodlebug]

The terrain must have changed, wind, sand, etc. Imagine what that thing would have looked like had he bellied in on that load of exposed rock. As it is it looks surprisingly intact. Hope he survived, poor bastard.

[TBM-Legend]

In the last pic there appears to be oil splotches??? Also green camo. Was this normal? Even after fading.....

[FlightlessParrot]

Not a model

In models, the fine details have to be done at a larger scale than the gross scale, else they don't stand out. A model cockpit would have much coarser piping and instruments. If it's CGI, it's the best I've seen. If a fake, it must be full size movie set, I should think. The easiest interpretation is that this is real, though the location is another question

[evansb]

The photos lack contrast, and have an unusual patina and resolution. The terrain almost looks like Mars. Why no photos of squadron markings, and why no people standing next to the aircraft?

[Vitesse]

If that's a model, I can't see any glue like on mine. Almost too good to be true. Queries... Why is the canopy closed? Appears closed in the interior shot too. Why is there not more damage to the airframe and engine where it "fell off"? In the shot of the open hatch, there are two small tears in the skin that could have been made by (if it's a model) tweezer points - why is the damage from inside out? Given the amount of damage to the underside it's slightly surprising that the control surfaces match the stick position. Anyway, forgive my cynicism. If real, it's a wonderful discovery. If a model, someone has real skill. Cheers!

[Load Toad]

Well - a few others have been discussing this:
Warbird Information Exchange • View topic - Any P-40 experts care to comment on this image?
Real or fake: British WWII P-40 found in the Sahara - AR15.COM
P-40 from Sahara - Page 3 - Key Publishing Ltd Aviation Forums
Warbird Information Exchange • View topic - Any P-40 experts care to comment on this image?

[gas path]

Why has it got what appears to be two turn and slip indicators?

[Fareastdriver]

Interesting question. You would have to find a P40 expert. The lower one with the smashed glass looks like the official one. The top one has a caging knob on it which is something I have never seen before.

[Airclues]

The upper instrument seems to be a combined DG and slip indicator. The caging knob is presumably for the DG.

Dave

[Terry McCassey]

If it is for real, it's an unusual collection of images to offer for public display. Despite all the military aviation interest, why are no more forthcoming ? I'm on the fence with this one . . . Terry

[Load Toad]

At the moment I'm tempted to think that it is a real P-40, found in the claimed area of the desert...but I think the photographs may be old. So it isn't a recent find.
The only thing I'm basing this thought on is that a) there would be great media interest in the find already b) Mostly people carry digital camera's now so they could easily shoot lots of pictures c) Other than the original post there are no additional posts with other pictures or details d) If the RAF had been advised wouldn't some Ppruners know by now?

Anyway - I'd love to see more images and know more about the story even if it is a find from many years ago.

Does anyone know if from the image it can be deduced if it is a scan of a film or a digital photo?


On another site they are speculating on the squadron...:P-40 from Sahara - Page 4 - Key Publishing Ltd Aviation Forums

[StallsandSpins]

these photos are good but not quite right. my $5 says the photos are the work of a very good Photoshop artist.

[Load Toad]

If that is the case it shows some incredible knowledge of wartime aircraft, engineering & the effects of a crash & weathering.

P-40 from Sahara - Page 7 - Key Publishing Ltd Aviation Forums

[Vitesse]

Could someone clever comment on the direction that the prop tips are bent?

My limited experience says its the wrong way in the pics.

[Load Toad]

One that is visible is bent backwards one appears to be bent forwards...hard to say what was bent before & after it got ripped off the engine.