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Old 2nd Nov 2010, 17:05   #1 (permalink)
 
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old Radial engines ??

Hi All,

Ive been looking for a long time for a old radial engine, to restore .. tinker with as you will,

but what should be the going rate, or what would be the cheapest engine you could think of that i could find, i was thinking on the lines of a small wasp, or cheetah engine, ex avro anson or simaller, is there anywhere "other" than ebay where i could find such a object .. its been a dream of mine for many years.. its just finding the time to get around to actually doing it .

any advice appreciated
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I have no idea what's commonly available in the UK, but my friends here in the US play with old five-cylinder Kinners and Lycomings, Continentals, whatever. In my dreams I imagine restoring a Wright R-3350, but that's ridiculous. I would suggest--since this is a project I have also imagined doing--looking for a very basic radial, which means five or at best seven cylinders. You want the equivalent of a VW four, not a 911 Turbo six...
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Old 3rd Nov 2010, 04:29   #3 (permalink)
 
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You might try to find a Russian M-14 or its predecessor, the AI-14. They're fairly inexpensive in the US. I found one "firewall forward"--included the prop, governor, mags, etc. for sale for $12,500 (US) in "good" condition, no logs. If you found a run-out engine in Eastern Europe, it could be a steal!

I've flown behind this engine in a couple of airframes and it is a beast!
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Old 3rd Nov 2010, 12:15   #4 (permalink)
 
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Get a Webster Whirlwind kit? Ron Webster thinks he can make up a kit of machineable parts for not much more than a grand. 5 cylinders and about 75bhp from cheap parts. Google for G-BMOO or youtube for Webster Whirlwind. It uses VW heads etc (see above, message number 2!)

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Have a look at the AEHS site maybe someone could steer you toward a purchase
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Like this?



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Old 3rd Nov 2010, 21:54   #7 (permalink)
 
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M14p - I flew behind one in a Yak 52 and it was fun! They get 'life expired' at a ridiculously short life and become scrap, so should be available cheap. But you won't be able to ever use it on a UK airframe if it's life expired! But for 'tinkering', that's OK>
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Old 3rd Nov 2010, 22:08   #8 (permalink)
 
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Heres a photo of an M14P laying in a barn at Lt Gransden last year ?????

Keith.

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Old 4th Nov 2010, 11:46   #9 (permalink)
 
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Garn!

Get ambitious, go for a Bristol Centaurus, if you can afford the oil!

They used to consume about a gallon an hour
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Old 4th Nov 2010, 13:46   #10 (permalink)
 
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Come on, Chris... tell us the whole story. You really DO have a Goggomobil waiting for a repower, don't you?...

YouTube - Radial Engine powered Car #1

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Old 4th Nov 2010, 22:46   #11 (permalink)
 
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Radial engined cars would be fairly easy compared with making this.

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Old 7th Nov 2010, 17:26   #12 (permalink)
 
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Sorry for the late reply,... but David . Thats just what i was looking for .. and Norwich.. that looks great wish i could get my hands on that puppy, what a waste. chucked in the shed

and ,lads and ladies, this is what i want to do to it !!

YouTube - 9 Cylinder Radial Engine Start And Run - Sternmotor läuft


all be it, a little more of a sturdy frame than the one in this video,
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Old 8th Nov 2010, 08:21   #13 (permalink)
 
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Re; link above

Am I the only one that cringes with horror at the way these people seem compelled to blip the throttle like teenagers on a two-stroke moped? It seems a brutal and inappropriate way to treat an aircraft engine.
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Old 8th Nov 2010, 12:58   #14 (permalink)
 
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Can't imagine why it would hurt it, if it doesn't hurt a Ferarri...obviously you wouldn't want to operate it that way in an airplane, if only because of the rapid torque effect.
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Old 8th Nov 2010, 13:29   #15 (permalink)
 
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I was more concerned about the spectators standing so close to the rotating propellor. Of course the red and white 'health and safety' tape would have protected them from harm. Surprised the operator was not made to wear a yellow reflective vest though?
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Old 8th Nov 2010, 22:42   #16 (permalink)
 
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well for one, after restoring such a engine, and waiting to find a affordable one after so many years.... i dont think i would be ranting it at full chat like a teen on a Fizzy Moped..

i just added the video, to give you the idea that i wanted to eventually have a engine that could be displayed, and run safely,like the chaps you see at duxford running there merlin/griffin engines etc.. safely and professionally..

I dont have the resources for a Merlin etc, but find the smaller radials just as interesting and beautiful in construction ,design.. and WOW the sound of one starting up.. music ....Pure music
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Old 9th Nov 2010, 12:46   #17 (permalink)
 
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The torque reaction on that vid shows one can use sudden throttle opening and closing to steer a Yak on a muddy field. Differnetial braking does nowt as the wheels just lock and slide in the mud, but whack open the throttle and the right wheel digs in turning you right, slam it closed and the left digs in!

Worked a treat at Barton in winter!
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Does anyone know where or who owns that Vedeneyev in the pictures? It just seems to be a shame it rusting away. I fly a YAK 52 and the M14 are great fun -just forget about the fuel if you ever fly one though!!!!!
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Old 29th Jul 2011, 09:58   #19 (permalink)
 
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There is a Lycoming R680 for sale on ebay at present. Can't remember the location, but it's in the UK.
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Old 31st Jul 2011, 16:04   #20 (permalink)
 
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This one??
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