?Recognize aviator? ~from 1920's?
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Castlegar
Posts: 255
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
?Recognize aviator? ~from 1920's?
?? Do you recognize the aviator in these photo's??? Maybe you can ID the aircraft??
Edit -- since 2008, the Globe-Democrat Collection was moved ($$-lack of support)
-- and the URL's are all wrong now, and those newspaper photo's are more difficult to locate.
Found this one, now Aug' 2017
These are from a series of old newspaper photo's available on the web that remain UNidentified. Here are four photos of an aviator, possibly from the 1923 Int'l Air Races at Saint Louis, but the OXYGEN MASK suggests that his might have been a later high ALTITUDE attempt. His right shoulder strap (parachute strap) has some lettering, last four letters are visible "...RVIN”.
All four images are from From the collections of the Mercantile Library at the University of Missouri-St. Louis,
St. Louis Globe-Democrat Collection:
http://digital.library.umsystem.edu/...;c=mercic;g=vm
St. Louis Globe-Democrat Glass Plate Negative,
Their web-site offers better quality images (magnification):
-- GDGPS0096, Pilot in flight suit standing next to propeller of mono-wing aircraft ...
-- Image gdgps0059, (mirror-image err), Pilot in cockpit of aircraft wearing goggles and oxygen mask ...
-- GDGPS0074, (mirror-image err), Pilot Standing ... propeller of monoplane. His hand is resting on under section of propeller. Crowd ... Right parachute shoulder strap shows last four letters “RVIN”
-- GDGPS0083, Woman in fur coat ... next to fuselage ... Pilot seated in open cockpit. Crowd ... (not shown here)
Below are three of the four photos:
Edit -- since 2008, the Globe-Democrat Collection was moved ($$-lack of support)
-- and the URL's are all wrong now, and those newspaper photo's are more difficult to locate.
Found this one, now Aug' 2017
These are from a series of old newspaper photo's available on the web that remain UNidentified. Here are four photos of an aviator, possibly from the 1923 Int'l Air Races at Saint Louis, but the OXYGEN MASK suggests that his might have been a later high ALTITUDE attempt. His right shoulder strap (parachute strap) has some lettering, last four letters are visible "...RVIN”.
All four images are from From the collections of the Mercantile Library at the University of Missouri-St. Louis,
St. Louis Globe-Democrat Collection:
http://digital.library.umsystem.edu/...;c=mercic;g=vm
St. Louis Globe-Democrat Glass Plate Negative,
Their web-site offers better quality images (magnification):
-- GDGPS0096, Pilot in flight suit standing next to propeller of mono-wing aircraft ...
-- Image gdgps0059, (mirror-image err), Pilot in cockpit of aircraft wearing goggles and oxygen mask ...
-- GDGPS0074, (mirror-image err), Pilot Standing ... propeller of monoplane. His hand is resting on under section of propeller. Crowd ... Right parachute shoulder strap shows last four letters “RVIN”
-- GDGPS0083, Woman in fur coat ... next to fuselage ... Pilot seated in open cockpit. Crowd ... (not shown here)
Below are three of the four photos:
Last edited by IGh; 21st Aug 2017 at 19:17. Reason: attempt to locate URL for old newspaper PHOTOs
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 441
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Can't help with the main part of your request for the pilots identity but my small input is to mention that the letters on the parachute strap are IRVIN:
Leslie Irvin was the inventor of the parachute “rip-cord” system and, in 1919, was the first man to make a premeditated free-fall jump from an aeroplane. The Irvin parachute was quickly recognised as an important piece of aviation equipment and in June 1919 Irvin set up Irvin Air Chute to manufacture parachutes for the U.S. government. In 1926 he opened a factory in the UK, at Letchworth and by the end of the 1930s Irvin parachutes were in use worldwide.
As aviation advanced so did the altitudes to which pilots could fly. Suddenly aircrew were flying to thousands of feet where temperatures would easily be sub-zero, not a good thing when aircraft construction still provided basic, un-insulated cockpits. This situation drove Irvin to create The Irvin Flying Jacket.
Leslie Irvin was the inventor of the parachute “rip-cord” system and, in 1919, was the first man to make a premeditated free-fall jump from an aeroplane. The Irvin parachute was quickly recognised as an important piece of aviation equipment and in June 1919 Irvin set up Irvin Air Chute to manufacture parachutes for the U.S. government. In 1926 he opened a factory in the UK, at Letchworth and by the end of the 1930s Irvin parachutes were in use worldwide.
As aviation advanced so did the altitudes to which pilots could fly. Suddenly aircrew were flying to thousands of feet where temperatures would easily be sub-zero, not a good thing when aircraft construction still provided basic, un-insulated cockpits. This situation drove Irvin to create The Irvin Flying Jacket.
in June 1919 Irvin set up Irvin Air Chute to manufacture parachutes for the U.S. government
http://airbornesystemscanada.com/history.html
On June 18th, 1919 a Certificate of Incorporation was issued and "The Irving Air Chute Company" was born. A clerical error resulted in the addition of the "g" to Irvin and this was left in place until 1970 when the company was unified under the title Irvin Industries Incorporated.
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Castlegar
Posts: 255
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
?? Dwight "Barney" Zimmerly [??]
Those photos, at the top of this thread, here's a possible ID:
After searching in NY Times web-archives, it listed an altitude record set at St. Louis in Feb'1930.
?? Possible ID, Dwight ("Barney") Zimmerly, at St. Louis, Barling NB3 with Lambert motor ...
From NYTimes, February 17th, 1930, pg 9 [available in NYT’s web archives]:
So far there's no other good photo of any "Barney Zimmerly" to verify against these unlabeled images from the on-line Globe-Democrat collection.
After searching in NY Times web-archives, it listed an altitude record set at St. Louis in Feb'1930.
?? Possible ID, Dwight ("Barney") Zimmerly, at St. Louis, Barling NB3 with Lambert motor ...
From NYTimes, February 17th, 1930, pg 9 [available in NYT’s web archives]:
“Altitude record is set At St. Louis”
“St. Louis, Feb. 16 -- Taking off from the small snow-covered field [Forrest Park] ... Barney Zimmerly ... Climbed to approximately 27350 feet, according to his barograph, and set what is indicated to be a new world’s record for light planes....
“... The machine is an open-cockpit low-wing monoplane, built for two persons and adapted for training and sport flying.
“The pilot had ... his heavy flying clothes, a mask and the customary helmet and goggles.... He carried two bottles of oxygen for the rare upper air....”
Photo of an NB-3 aircraft with two cockpits: http://aerofiles.com/nicbeaz-nb3.jpg“St. Louis, Feb. 16 -- Taking off from the small snow-covered field [Forrest Park] ... Barney Zimmerly ... Climbed to approximately 27350 feet, according to his barograph, and set what is indicated to be a new world’s record for light planes....
“... The machine is an open-cockpit low-wing monoplane, built for two persons and adapted for training and sport flying.
“The pilot had ... his heavy flying clothes, a mask and the customary helmet and goggles.... He carried two bottles of oxygen for the rare upper air....”
So far there's no other good photo of any "Barney Zimmerly" to verify against these unlabeled images from the on-line Globe-Democrat collection.
Despite the difference in the spelling of his name (Zimberly) Zimmerly would also appear to have held another world record for distance flown in a straight line as this 1929 Armstrong Siddeley ad shows:
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Castlegar
Posts: 255
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Genet ENGINE on Nicholas-Beazley NB-3
Re' above DISTANCE record, found more info' on a web-site in Marshall MISSOURI:
http://www.nicholasbeazley.org/history.php
NB-3 [two photos]
* Designed and built in 1929 by Nicholas-Beazley
* 80 h.p. Genet Engine
* Tubular steel frame fuselage with aluminum wing
* First true unique mono-wing design in the United States
* Set altitude and distance records in 1929 and 1930
* Only complete NB-3 known to exist
http://www.marshallnews.com/story/1183682.html
... The Marshall Democrat-News
If Zimmerly was North Dakota born & raised, then he would be much better acclimatized for the -35 Temps during his Feb'1930 ALTITUDE record (Saint Louis is mostly HOT and Humid with only two or three days of "winter" annually. Similarly, Lindbergh, RAC's chief pilot, was raised up near the headwaters of the Mississippi.)
http://www.nicholasbeazley.org/history.php
... 1921 ... Dwight "Barney" Zimmerley of Cogswell, North Dakota ... crashed his plane near Marshall [Missouri] ...
Nicholas and Beazley frequented the National Air Races in St. Louis [1923]. This is where they met the world famous aeronautical engineer Walter H. Barling [Barling Bomber was the biggest ship at the Air Races], who later designed the wing for the NB-3.
http://www.nicholasbeazley.org/exhibits.phpNicholas and Beazley frequented the National Air Races in St. Louis [1923]. This is where they met the world famous aeronautical engineer Walter H. Barling [Barling Bomber was the biggest ship at the Air Races], who later designed the wing for the NB-3.
NB-3 [two photos]
* Designed and built in 1929 by Nicholas-Beazley
* 80 h.p. Genet Engine
* Tubular steel frame fuselage with aluminum wing
* First true unique mono-wing design in the United States
* Set altitude and distance records in 1929 and 1930
* Only complete NB-3 known to exist
http://www.marshallnews.com/story/1183682.html
... The Marshall Democrat-News
"Zimmerley Tells of His Flight to Canada
"Marshall Pilot Had Interesting Experiences On His Way Across Continent ...
"... the experience of D. S. "Barney" Zimmerley, Marshall pilot, who flew from Brownsville, Texas, to Winnipeg, Canada, Sunday, July 7 [1929], in sixteen hours flat. A cold, which made his muscles very sore and caused him some lameness, was the result....
"... 'I got very cold before I landed,' Zimmerley said today in telling of his flight. 'However, this may have been augmented some by my being somewhat wet from storms I had passed through a few hours previous. I was rather tired, too, from my 1,725-mile flight and my resistance wasn't as high as it normally is.'..."
"... difficulty in climbing to 400 feet, because my engine was not thoroughly warm ... and the ship acquired an air speed of 105 miles an hour, despite the fact that my load of 881 pounds exceeded the entire weight of the plane by nearly two hundred pounds...."
Just to verify the identity of the PILOT in the PHOTOs, I sent a question to that local editor in Marshall, Missouri, asking that his writer confirm the man in the PHOTOs is really Barney Zimmerly, chief pilot for Nicholas-Beazley Company. [Edit: CONFIRMED identity, against photo in the deHatre Collection at MoHistorical Society (Louie deHatre operated a restaurant at Lambert Field called "Louie's Place"), the pilot in above photos is Zimmerly.]"Marshall Pilot Had Interesting Experiences On His Way Across Continent ...
"... the experience of D. S. "Barney" Zimmerley, Marshall pilot, who flew from Brownsville, Texas, to Winnipeg, Canada, Sunday, July 7 [1929], in sixteen hours flat. A cold, which made his muscles very sore and caused him some lameness, was the result....
"... 'I got very cold before I landed,' Zimmerley said today in telling of his flight. 'However, this may have been augmented some by my being somewhat wet from storms I had passed through a few hours previous. I was rather tired, too, from my 1,725-mile flight and my resistance wasn't as high as it normally is.'..."
"... difficulty in climbing to 400 feet, because my engine was not thoroughly warm ... and the ship acquired an air speed of 105 miles an hour, despite the fact that my load of 881 pounds exceeded the entire weight of the plane by nearly two hundred pounds...."
If Zimmerly was North Dakota born & raised, then he would be much better acclimatized for the -35 Temps during his Feb'1930 ALTITUDE record (Saint Louis is mostly HOT and Humid with only two or three days of "winter" annually. Similarly, Lindbergh, RAC's chief pilot, was raised up near the headwaters of the Mississippi.)
Last edited by IGh; 27th Sep 2008 at 13:24. Reason: Confirmed identity of pilot
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: midwest
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
recognize Aviator from the 1920's
I believe the aviator was Urban F. Diteman. He attempted to fly his low wing open cockpit Barling to England in October of 1929. The plane is his Barling and the woman (not pictured) was his wife Lucille. He was a Montana rancher from Billings area. He did not succeed and was lost at sea.
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Auckland, NZ
Age: 79
Posts: 722
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The Missouri History Museum, at this page, identifies one of the pictures as:
"Pilot Barney Zimmerly standing by the nose of a Barling NB3 airplane, 19 February 1930."
I hope this isn't sending you back to where you started from.
"Pilot Barney Zimmerly standing by the nose of a Barling NB3 airplane, 19 February 1930."
I hope this isn't sending you back to where you started from.
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Columbia, MO
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The Missouri History Museum, at this page, identifies one of the pictures as:
"Pilot Barney Zimmerly standing by the nose of a Barling NB3 airplane, 19 February 1930."
I hope this isn't sending you back to where you started from.
"Pilot Barney Zimmerly standing by the nose of a Barling NB3 airplane, 19 February 1930."
I hope this isn't sending you back to where you started from.
