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XL319, you deserve a slap across the face with the soggy end of Tombstone's rose after he's done his performance with it inserted where the sun doesn't shine......
Good news concerning the engine runs - my spies tell me that things are now going extremely well. Which is terrific news - for everyone except Tombstone....
There was a little sarcasim in my comment, nothing malicious The point I was making was that I am actually gutted that I won't be seeing them display this year
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Poor old Tombstone. I am assured KY Jelly eases the passage but check for any thorns left on the stem.
Seriously though, I really wonder just how many airshow organisers are going to book the Vulcan if it is charged out at an economic rate? Once the initial novelty is over reality must set in. This despite the valiant efforts of the VTTS team, professional and volunteer.
As an airshow performer charging a modest sum to cover my legitimate costs it has been hard to get bookings for a couple of years. This possibly because my aerobatic displays are tame in comparison with some on the circuit but also because there are those for whom displays are an ego trip and can afford to do them for next to nothing.
Display organisers are finding it very hard to get sponsorship and costs are escalating at an exponential rate. The UK airshow industry is in a difficult position. But there, it always was and my involvement goes back over 50 years.
Comments appreciated, however if it is suggested that I pack up airshow flying after some 53 years then that is simply not acceptable. I enjoy it too much.
Be interesting to see how the economics work out. I suspect they are banking on the fact that any airshow in the UK will not be complete without the Vulcan doing a display. Even though I do have some fears over the long term sustainment of the project for ££ reasons, I actually suspect they are bang on - no airshow worth its salt will want to be without the vulcan; the punters will be dissappointed without it.
There is an article in "The Vulcan Story" which was written by SL David Thomas, last and future display pilot of XH558, in which he writes:
"It's interesting to note that towards the end of the Vulcan's display career, one show organizer simply stated that they would pay whatever the necessary asking price was, because they just had to have the Vulcan at their show. It's an incredible display aircraft, as it's a unique design, and XH558 is the only one of its kind. It flies very slowly, it's very manoeurvrable, it's big, it's noisy, quite unmistakeable."
Hopefully airshow audiences attitudes won't have changed that much, and the Vulcan will still be in great demand for airshows.
I well remember Dave's fabulous displays and I am glad I will see them again.
I agree with DT that organisers will bust the bank to ensure that the Vulcan is on the list. And I wouldn't like to accept a bet that it won't be at F'boro next year either.
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Is`nt it Apt, the UK Govt will probably compulsory purchase the A/C for a quid once its done its flight test in order to combat the Bears that have just been restored by russia, looks like it may be on standby duties back at waddo with Blue Steel......Not at airshows as we hope.
You wait , just when you thought you`d retired the RAF will call up some 75 year old to command it as they wont have the experience otherwise...lol
...towards the end of the Vulcan's display career, one show organizer simply stated that they would pay whatever the necessary asking price was, because they just had to have the Vulcan at their show.
That may be true, but XH558 retired when the airshow business was at a zenith. Unfortunately, half the airshows that were in existence at that time have since gone to the wall and attendances at fee paying airshows are well down. Admittedly 800,000 people have just turned up for the Bournemouth freebie but that doesn't generate much in the way of direct revenue.
They're budgetted for 1.2 million a year don't forget, and given their history of budgetting shortfalls, we can't be sure they've got those sums right. Readers of "Aeroplane" will be aware of how tight the airshow business is getting - even across the Atlantic in the home of the CAF and Oshkosh.
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Having heard nothing on the subject for a while now, I'm just wondering whether Tombstone has got the minerals to actually put his money where his Ahem... mouth is!!
He does indeed have the minerals, the banter from the F3 girls for a no show would be unbearable.
Two things will happen the day after the vulcan flies:
1. I will post the video on here, via youtube.
2. 'Tombstone' will die & I will have to come up with another name for PPRuNe. It's never a clever thing allowing your boss to know who you are on here & I think he might just work out who I am the day after (V+1) XH558 rotates!
Dear Santa,
please may I have a multiple engine surge on XH558 (prior to V panic) as an early Xmas. Pretty please. If it helps swing the decision, you can marry my sister.
No offence intended to the aircrew of 558 however, big boys rules, you know how it is!
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Sorry, Tombstone, but we demand independent evidence!
I will be quite happy to fly PrimeTime Joanna down to Marham to record the evidence for poster(ior)ity - perhaps as 'Bonus Material' on Vulcan Restoration DVD no.3?
To save your embarrassment, ask a rock ape or gym queen if you can borrow their gimp mask for the day!
Of course, if you were to hand over a cheque for £558 to the Vulcan to the Sky Fund, perhaps we could be persuaded to accept that as an alternative?
Independant adjudication not required thankyou.
However......back to the original (pre anal flower) discussion....when can we expect to hear that the device has flown?
I think not BEagle, passing over a cheque is not the gentleman's way out in this case.
The challenge was issued therefore the rose must fly, and be seen to fly. Surely nothing else is acceptable. (Although judicious use of duct tape may be in order.)
The point I was making was that I am actually gutted that I won't be seeing them display this year 
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