Mmmm . . . could it be that nucluv was making a subtle (and sarky) point about the incidence of some 'published' images that have been reversed for art and layout's sake?
The Vulcan flew low over our house on Friday en route for Lowestoft,we live near Bungay.
Sounded very quiet,I imagine it was lining up for the show.
A beautiful sight,but at the same time still slightly menacing!
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Having never seen Vulcans in their heyday, I was pleased to see XH-558 at Loostof' on Friday, but was VERY surprised at how quiet she was. Is this because she was in flight rather than taking off? btw - grand job to all involved!
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At light weights and lowish speeds, say 250 kts, it would need only 40% on 2 and 60% power on the other 2. Oddly this was a major weakness for low level operations.
For best efficiency the engines would be run at 98% power but this could only be achieved within the airframe limits at height. At low level its power settings were uneconomically low. However it did give it plenty of excess power for fighter evasion in a turning or climbing evasion.
Truth maybe that the TVOC have realised that the 'Vulcan Howl' is a tangible item that can now be sold at airshows, as such possibly two tarrifs are now in operation, Low, No howl, High and you get the beans,
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Howl is caused by intake, rather than exhaust. 558's engines are lifed on number of full cycles idle/full/idle, so current display needs to be less throttle-happy than previously. Also, handling more gentle now for conservation......... and a front spar mod scheduled for the Winter, so no wing waving or the like.
Still a beautiful sight & sound though, and howling magnificently at take-off & in power-climb.
Oohh you cynic you - (Thatcher,Major,Blair,Brown,Clinton,Bush - can't go on - they've had an effect on you) Beware - TVOC are viewing - you seem to be a good prospect as a business development manager - we live in materialistic times.
At the risk of drawing ire from BEagle onwards, one of my significant memories of the Vulcan are as follows (and I'm sure for every UK airshow from here to kingdom etc....)
Turnhouse Aerodrome (EDI) always had a very respectable display during the 50's/60's, and the Vulcan gag (which one got used to, even aged 6) was the commentator saying (at a lull in the proceedings) "and if you look over to the south of the airfield (Kirknewton direction) you will see the Edinburgh UAS performing their formation drill" (or something to that effect). They were of course miles away, and hard to spot even with binocs. I discovered that a 180 turn on my part revealed said Avro coming from the North - right over the flight line and crowd - in silent mode and then standing on its tail.
Bairns cried, grannies fainted - the first time I was very,very scared. I was 5.
The intake howl was then very evident.
Added - AGL on these displays today would mean they would instantly go to jail..unless of course it was 23.07.08 somewhere in England in some sort of private display.........
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Forget - some expansion in the "Vulcan/Solent" thread in the Mil forum.
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OK Beeyate, if he doesn't respond idc I will accept that it was fish bait and delete it
Sorry - it really was not intended as a baiting exercise, although I have to admit to a little mirth on reading your post . B(I)8 is quite right in pointing out that it was merely a sarky comment regarding the image reversing which some publishers seem to think is necessary. Why bother - it's not like there are thousands upon thousands of images of Vulcans in all manner of poses, positions and angles, is it?
Doh - I've done it again.
Finally, I suppose it only goes to prove that I am a sad anorak because I notice something which is trivial beyond measure to 99.9% of the general population, but which to me is blindingly obvious!
The GPU tripped during start up. If the GPU was reapplied to the aircraft whilst 200vac systems are still running down or the contactors are still closed, then the result would be alot of blown fuses and red faces. If this was the case then I think the ground crew may be a little trigger happy. There are lots and lots of fuses on a Vulcan and to be certain the aircraft is serviceable they ALL need checking.
To change the subject slightly, the news flash on the TVOC's website is utter s**t, it treats any readers as if they are idiots, but then reading the name at the bottom of the entry I'm suprised it's as accurate as it is. The Pilot and Crew probably didn't have any confidence that the aircraft had been repaired properly ! Better luck next time lads, maybe afew more fuses in the flyaway kit !
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The GPU tripped during start up. If the GPU was reapplied to the aircraft whilst 200vac systems are still running down or the contactors are still closed, then the result would be alot of blown fuses and red faces. If this was the case then I think the ground crew may be a little trigger happy. There are lots and lots of fuses on a Vulcan and to be certain the aircraft is serviceable they ALL need checking.
vickyv, very true. It was always drummed into us that if you lost 200v during pre-start, under no circumstances must the AEO reinstate 200v until the after landing and shut downs checks have been completed and all 200v rotary loads have been isloated. In fact it was a deliberate part of Ex 1 on the Vulcan OCU - loss of 200v during start.
If the external 200v is re-connected prematurely, there'll then be a major fuse changing and checking process. In particular, 3-phase systems must be very carefully checked.
I(nteresting 'News Flash' but not wishing to jump too quickly too the defence of TVOC as in the main a lot of whats happening over there is due too there own attitude problems towards 'Outsiders', one should remember that no group has operated a Vulcan in service for sometime now and such mistakes are bound to crop up as they relearn what a lot of people so obviously knew all about by experience, lets all hope they don,t set fire to the thing before they get it together.
Vicky v is correct the only thing i cant understand is if barry did not carry out the shut down checks then oops mistake i dont think he would make such an error.
If a ground engineer did it then yes had these people been on the training weekend they would of had this proceedure drilled in to them by mr thomas and masefield.
As taff was on holiday the groundcrew would of been lacking in knowledge maybe and if taff was not there then who changed the fuses on what authority,and indeed what paperwork was raised to cover this.
I know this will of been in good faith and to the best work practices but proceedures etc need to be stuck to.
Maybe Biker boy can enlighten us all TO THE CORRECT EVENTS INSTEAD OF THE RUMOR CONTROL.
Vulcan at shoreham this weekend? (30 and 31 August)
Hi. Apologies if the formatting goes awry, but i'm posting from a mobile phone! Does anyone know if the vulcan will be servicable and appearing at the RAFA air show at Shoreham this weekend as planned? My understanding was it was due to display one of the two days, any idea which one, if at all? Also, just a reminder there will be a commemorative ceremony on Saturday for the hurricane pilot who died during last year's display.
Make no mistake folks - what the team have done in south Leicestershire over these years is nothing short of fantastic. You will not see such an achievement in Europe or the USA. Enjoy this aeroplane while you can.
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